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Re:Superheroes a 'cultural catastrophe', says comics guru Al... by mikeash on Sunday October 29, 2017 @06:53PM (#15581991)
I think some of it is just a change in the terms we use.

Take Guardians of the Galaxy for example. A fun superhero movie! Except it’s really just a science fiction movie that avoids the “SF” term. It’s pretty similar to something like Star Wars in terms of the characters and technologies shown... but for some reason, Luke Skywalker isn’t a “superhero.”

Or consider the Greek myths. Instead of superheroes, they had “gods” and “demigods” and such. What’s the difference? None, really.

Humans have always enjoyed morally unambiguous tales of heroes beyond the ordinary. There’s a place for complex entertainment too, but it’s unreasonable to expect it to dominate.

Re:Superheroes a 'cultural catastrophe', says comics guru Al... by humanrebar on Sunday October 29, 2017 @07:01PM (#15582030)
I agree with the Greek mythology point, I just made the same one in anther comment.

But I wouldn't consider Guardians or Star Wars to be science fiction since "what if" is not a huge element of either. I'd consider each to be "space operas" and have more in common with adventures (Indiana Jones, The Mummy), fantasy (magicians and monsters), or Westerns than science fiction proper.

Re:Superheroes a 'cultural catastrophe', says comics guru Al... by Retric on Sunday October 29, 2017 @09:15PM (#15582512)
Star Wars is almost pure fantasy. Lightsabers block blasters because they are Bow vs sword analogs. The big evil is a guy in a robe who shoots lightning from his fingers etc. Hell the armor even seems to be purely asthetic.

Replace 'spaceships' with boats and 'planets' with islands and the entire story works just fine.

Re:Superheroes a 'cultural catastrophe', says comics guru Al... by krapp on Sunday October 29, 2017 @09:29PM (#15582556)
Star Wars is science fantasy in the style of old 1930's pulp serials and stories like the Lensman series or Edgar Rice Burroughs' Mars books... which still makes it a subset of science fiction, if not necessarily by modern standards.
Re:Superheroes a 'cultural catastrophe', says comics guru Al... by interfixus on Sunday October 29, 2017 @11:00PM (#15582861)
I have only ever watched two thirds of a Starwars movie. That was some 35 years ago on television, and it struck me as utterly stupid and pointless. Bad science, bad space, bad soundwaves in space, silly costume party in a bar, idiotic storyline, and ill-conceived characters.

Didn't ever come back for more.

It was obvious to me then that this was simply a concoction of fairytales and tall stories with a new coat of Hollywood paint sprayed on. Fine by me, as long as I don't have to watch, but offensive seeing it touted as science fiction, when so clearly it is fiction with no trace of science.

Mind you, I am difficult and probably annoying. Even as a child, I never liked fairytales and fables, which would usually lose my attention about thirty seconds in. Like "Okay, someone has magic/holy/super-powers. No need to wade through a tedious story, then. Resolve the damn thing with your powers, and move on". Magic was cheating, it undermined any kind of predictable ruleset for me.

That's right. I'm on HN, and I never read a word of Tolkien, nor ventured anywhere near the films.

Re:Superheroes a 'cultural catastrophe', says comics guru Al... by RyanOD on Monday October 30, 2017 @12:55PM (#15586639)
I'm curious...what stories sustain your attention?
Re:Superheroes a 'cultural catastrophe', says comics guru Al... by interfixus on Monday October 30, 2017 @01:36PM (#15587092)
There needs to be rules, there needs to be consistency. Which more or less means my kind of story has to masquerade as some kind of realism. So ... science fiction of the reasonably hardboiled kind, certain kinds of mainstream literature - doesn't need much of a plot if it's worth reading for the humour and the language. I do read some stuff considered de rigueur in nerdy circles. Neal Stephenson yes, as in Cryptonomicon and Baroque Cycle (but - you guessed it - disliked Snow Crash enough never to finish it, and found REAMDE tacky and movie scriptish). Heinlein, Gregs Bear and Benford, that kind of stuff. Quite a few British writers, as long as they're not Tolkien og Lewis.

I should probably escort myself out of here. I never did get into computer games either...