Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain

Re:Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain by PeachPlum on Friday October 27, 2017 @10:38AM (#15568745)

The plan was laid out clearly. The question asked of the electorate was also clear.

February 2016

The process for withdrawing from the European Union Presented to Parliament by the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs by Command of Her Majesty

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachm...

2.1 The result of the referendum on the UK’s membership of the European Union will be final. The Government would have a democratic duty to give effect to the electorate’s decision. The Prime Minister made clear to the House of Commons that “if the British people vote to leave, there is only one way to bring that about, namely to trigger Article 50 of the Treaties and begin the process of exit, and the British people would rightly expect that to start straight away”.

The referendum question, June 2016 :

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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

[ ] Remain a member of the European Union

[ ] Leave the European Union

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Of the votes cast

51.9% Leave (17,410,742), 48.1% Remain (16,141,241)

Electorate 46,501,241

37.4% of the electorate voted to leave

34.7% of the electorate voted to remain

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Re:Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain by johnnyfaehell on Friday October 27, 2017 @11:14AM (#15569174)

21 pages, is not a plan. The Scottish independence plan was 500 pages or something.

Also, that "plan" merely states they will trigger article 50. Not what they will do after that. Which is the important part of the whole process. There was no talk of soft or hard brexit. No talk of how much it would cost, no talk about anything other than "We'll trigger article 50". Which it actually turned out, the plan was flawed because they legally couldn't do it and had to create a new law.

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Re:Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain by andrewaylett on Friday October 27, 2017 @10:58AM (#15568996)

Notice that for all the Catalan low turnout has been hyped, they've actually got a higher proportion of the electorate than voted for Brexit:

43.03% * 91.96% = 39.57%

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Re:Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain by dnautics on Friday October 27, 2017 @11:32AM (#15569373)

And they had uniformed thugs trying to prevent the vote outside many of the polling sites. A 40% turnout is remarkable.

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Re:Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain by marcosscriven on Friday October 27, 2017 @10:46AM (#15568848)

I don’t think it’s valid to claim the non voters in an aggregate 65%. Otherwise you could say 68% of the country didn’t vote to leave. Which presumably means it was a stronger position.

Edit - I see you removed that claim.

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Re:Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain by liberte82 on Friday October 27, 2017 @11:29AM (#15569331)

68% also didn't vote to stay. It always gets silly when you try to make arguments about vote percentages based on the entire population because they always work completely in reverse as well.

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Re:Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain by marcosscriven on Friday October 27, 2017 @11:37AM (#15569421)

Agree entirely, that was my point.

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Re:Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain by PeachPlum on Friday October 27, 2017 @11:00AM (#15569012)

Yes, I was copy pasting my post from elsewhere which was in response to the opposite claim :)

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