Re:Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain
by rayiner on Friday October 27, 2017 @10:30AM
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And that’s great. People have a right to self determination. Not just who they vote for, but who votes with them. Without it democracy is a sham.
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Re:Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain
by michelsonmorley on Friday October 27, 2017 @10:54AM
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People also have the right to remain. It is not clear that a majority wants to secede, the percentages are close to 50% though. So want happens with the rest of the people. Besides the independent Catalunya movement does not apply that freedom to its regions and considers Catalunya indivisible (For instance they deny the right of Tarragona to secede an hypothetical Catalunya state https://youtu.be/3eS-j9Wx8lw?t=999).
Re:Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain
by CaptSpify on Friday October 27, 2017 @01:37PM
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But it's my understanding that most people didn't vote against seceding either, which does not mean that they want to stay.
Re:Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain
by justanton on Friday October 27, 2017 @10:38AM
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I wonder what’s your take on Crimea and Russia in this case.
Re:Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain
by rayiner on Friday October 27, 2017 @10:51AM
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If an identifiable geographic region wants to secede, and there is sufficient support among the public, it should be able to do so. Crimea I think falls into that group: 93% voting in favor of joining Russia with 83% turnout.
Re:Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain
by rhino369 on Friday October 27, 2017 @12:12PM
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I think there needs to be more than just a geographic region. A people have a right to self-determination. I'm not sure if any group of persons should. You need to look at history, ethnicity, language, culture, etc.