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Re:Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violen... by PhasmaFelis on Thursday October 26, 2017 @06:11PM (#15563626)
I'm really torn on this. On the one hand, these are humans, not monsters; their views can be changed, perhaps, but not if we force them into hiding and radicalize them. On the other hand, giving them power and influence in public spaces, the ability to disrupt other people's discourse and lives at will, is not okay.

I'm not sure there is one best solution. We need to give bigots a chance to change their views, and we also need to protect their victims and potential victims, and those things are sometimes mutually exclusive.

Re:Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violen... by panarky on Thursday October 26, 2017 @09:42PM (#15564942)
> these are humans, not monsters

Humans can become monsters.

Nazism and fascism metastasize in open societies. If they have a forum, if they're allowed to congregate online or in real life, they self-radicalize.

I'm extremely pro-free-speech, often to a fault -- but that doesn't apply to actual Nazis or other people who promote hate and violence.

This is really toxic shit and can be impossible to control once it gets going.

Re:Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violen... by baud147258 on Friday November 03, 2017 @09:23AM (#15618979)
> I'm extremely pro-free-speech, often to a fault -- but that doesn't apply to actual Nazis or other people who promote hate and violence.

So you're an hypocrite.

Re:Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violen... by DanBC on Friday November 03, 2017 @09:25AM (#15618985)
Nazis seek to silence others through violence or threats of violence.

If you believe in freedom.of speech you should seek to protect these minority voices that are being silenced by violence, you shouldn't be protecting people making death threats.

Re:Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violen... by baud147258 on Friday November 03, 2017 @09:45AM (#15619139)
They are not the only ones.

But the problem is saying that Nazis, without violence and threats of violence can silenced. And if you silenced people even before the threats, how can you say you're for the freedom of speech?

Re:Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violen... by michaelchisari on Thursday October 26, 2017 @06:16PM (#15563674)
Thought experiment: Replace pro-racism with pro-anorexia. Do you feel the same way? Do you think there are positive results of public, easily accessible communities which advocate and provide support for people to further their eating disorders?
Re:Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violen... by liberte82 on Thursday October 26, 2017 @06:19PM (#15563694)
Forcing them into hiding isn't what radicalizes them. We dealt with hidden KKK groups in a pretty stable manner for 70+ years. Maybe it made the worst of them even more extreme in their views due to the persecution. But it kept their numbers limited and their opinions from becoming mainstream.

It's giving them an easily accessible echo chamber that radicalizes them and allows them to recruit. The internet has changed everything.