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Re:I have no side code projects to show you by apple4ever on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @06:02PM (#15554684)
That's fine, I'm happy to hire someone who is dedicated, passionate, and loves coding enough to to a quick assignment. Its not free work, its a demonstration of skill.

In fact, we just hired someone who did that, and her assignment came back better than expected. At first we were so-so on her due to potential lack of experience, but the assignment (and her projects on her personal site) showed us were wrong.

Re:I have no side code projects to show you by literallycancer on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @06:55PM (#15554998)
>Its not free work, its a demonstration of skill.

Was it paid? If not, then it's free work. Call it whatever you want, in my experience the people talking about passion the most are those that are just looking to pay the least they possibly can.

Re:I have no side code projects to show you by defined on Thursday October 26, 2017 @01:00AM (#15556470)
Why not call it an audition?

Until we have established a name (track record) for ourselves, and/or have a number of respected people vouch for us, we are called on to demonstrate our skills, just as musicians and actors are.

In principle, I think this is reasonable, especially since there are reportedly many fakers and exaggerators applying for jobs.

In practice, it appears that there are so many shoddy auditions that we must endure when looking for a job, that it becomes almost a full-time waste of time. This is unreasonable, methinks.

The problem will become serious when nearly every company that is hiring runs a low-quality dog and pony show in which we must perform, or not be hired. We can already see an analogous issue in the ubiquitous presence of objectionable binding mandatory arbitration clauses in seemingly every contract we sign nowadays.

Re:I have no side code projects to show you by nanodano on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:28AM (#15556831)
If you were hiring a musician, and you asked them to perform an audition. Would you accept the response, "Sorry, I don't work for free."

"Well do you have any recordings you can show me instead?" "No, I do other things with my free time. I don't work outside of work."

Re:I have no side code projects to show you by icebraining on Thursday October 26, 2017 @04:03AM (#15557161)
Auditions don't usually take several hours, do they?
Re:I have no side code projects to show you by wyclif on Thursday October 26, 2017 @09:47AM (#15558732)
That's another reason the "audition"/side project analogy doesn't work. I'm a musician. When you audition for a band, it's a matter of walking in, plugging in or setting up, and playing a few songs with the band.

If the musician is any good compared to the people they've already auditioned, many times you won't play another song. The band will hire you on the spot.

Re:I have no side code projects to show you by ryandrake on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @11:17PM (#15556106)
When you hire someone to fix your roof, do you make them build you a doghouse first to prove they know carpentry?
Re:I have no side code projects to show you by nanodano on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:30AM (#15556835)
If I owned a carpentry company, and I was trying to hire a carpenter, yes, I would ask them to build me something. Maybe not a dog house, but a bird house. You don't think that would be reasonable? "If you want us to hire you as a carpenter, prove to us you can build a bird house first." That seems totally reasonable to me.
Re:I have no side code projects to show you by mdpopescu on Thursday October 26, 2017 @12:00AM (#15556246)
If I hire them to fix my roof and they leave a huge hole in it, I am expected to sue them and wait for a few years to recoup my losses (while having a huge hole in the roof).

I think I prefer the coding test.

Re:I have no side code projects to show you by megy on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @06:22PM (#15554828)
So you are admitting you are bad about making decisions about people? Luckily you have something empirical because you are no good at judging someone. Thanks for admitting that, the first step is accepting you are no good at evaluating people.

Ha, but seriously, I hate take home assignments.

Re:I have no side code projects to show you by careersuicide on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @08:56PM (#15555540)
> So you are admitting you are bad about making decisions about people? Luckily you have something empirical because you are no good at judging someone.

This is almost entirely the point of take home assignments. In fact, this is almost word for word what my response would be to anyone who doesn't like take home assignments!

> Thanks for admitting that, the first step is accepting you are no good at evaluating people.

Step two is admitting that, in general, evaluating people using non-empirical means is an enterprise fraught with peril.