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Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by bustrakcan on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @02:19PM (#15552646)
> Basically, they understand very well that top talents are essential for developing advanced technology they need

Because companies around the world are now aware of the fact that Chinese government steals technologies. Also, Chinese government is too late trying to get talents back.

Most of the laowais (expats) that were in Guangzhou, that were in technology, have left in recent years. The only foreigners left are africans trying to eek out a living and English teachers who can't make it anywhere else. You can imagine the reasons why: poisonous air that will give you cancer, poisonous food that will give you cancer, dirty water that will give you cancer, horrendous traffic (and everyone driving around honking and disregarding rules), bad mannered locals (imagine jackhammering at 4am, spitting, elbowing, cutting in lines), censorship, foreigners getting arrested without a reason, expensive rent (compared to quality), no way to be connected to the western internet without VPN (and recently, VPN have been failing as well), no way to talk to families overseas. And this is in the top province in China. Imagine tier 88 or even tier 2 cities. (shudder)

There's no reason to be in China other than to make money, then get the hell out. And that seems to be even harder now with the economy stagnating and everyone blowing bubbles into the real estate.

Thank god I got out of China. Many already have.

Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by nopinsight on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @02:30PM (#15552767)
Your story illustrates why they are focusing on pollution control and developing the Social Credit System.

"..the Social Credit System will focus on four areas: "honesty in government affairs" (政务诚信), "commercial integrity" (商务诚信), "societal integrity" (社会诚信), and "judicial credibility" (司法公信). Media coverage has thus far focused mostly on the rating of individual citizens (which falls under "societal integrity"). However, the Chinese government‘s plans go beyond that and also include plans for credit scores for all businesses operating in China."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by shin433333 on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @02:43PM (#15552921)
China's too late.

China's Debt to ratio is a staggering 833%

http://www.baldingsworld.com/2017/10/23/everything-we-think-...

Why China Lost About $3.8 Trillion To Capital Flight In The Last Decade

(FDI was only 1.3T over the same decade, leading to a massive loss)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/insideasia/2017/02/22/china-cap...

So no money.....and recently it prevented South Korean companies from withdrawing assets from China. Now companies around the world knows. Who's gonna invest in China now?

http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/english/news/national/19352-e...

Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by cepth on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @02:55PM (#15553045)
I think there's an important distinction missing here.

First, NET FDI (foreign direct investment) into China was 1.3 trillion USD over the last decade, not nominal: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/BX.KLT.DINV.CD.WD?locat....

FDI is a pretty imperfect measure for a short period of time. If a Chinese company buys foreign assets, say mines in Africa or forests in South America, that counts as a net outflow. In the long run though, those investments may well pay off handsomely. For a rapidly developing country with a high savings rate, there's no inherent reason why Chinese companies investing abroad should be an indication of doom for China.

As someone who regularly does business with Chinese companies, it has been my experience that it has never been harder to remove currency from China. It is true that capital controls have become increasingly tight.

Edit:

Additionally, given the regulatory difficulties of foreign companies investing in China, it's not surprising that outflows of investment by Chinese companies outsize incoming foreign investment into China.

Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by ehllo on Thursday October 26, 2017 @12:45PM (#15560582)
if someone is interested in the actual situation, the following videos are a good starting point

Davos 2017 - China's Pivot to World Markets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8HsNfQIZQs

Davos 2017 - Strategic Update: The Future of Energy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wvln5Ce_Sk

Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by whooshee on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @10:10PM (#15555833)
Just for your info, China has been said to crush by the west media for over 30 years or even longer since PRC founded.
Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by majormajor on Thursday October 26, 2017 @01:13AM (#15556517)
China's also been said to be an unstoppable juggernaut that will rule the world for the next century by western media.

Funny, that.

Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by tim333 on Thursday October 26, 2017 @08:13AM (#15558154)
That 833% figure is for financial assets and gives the UK's figure at 1008%. It just indicates that banks are doing loan swaps and the like.

The semi communist system actually makes China quite stable. In the west if the mortgage holders can't repay the bank kind of goes bust, in China the government would just lend it more money. Well... I guess the west bails out too but more so in China I think.

Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by bsenftner on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @02:45PM (#15552938)
These four areas are quite interesting. Each defines a specific role a person holds in society. If nothing other than adopting formalized views and conversations along these roles, the West would benefit. The US appears to be failing in all of them, in aggregate.
Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by throw2016 on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @03:41PM (#15553402)
This is inevitable in any fast developing economy. There is chaos and there is growth. You will see the exact same conditions in western economies when they developed.

Its because they offer opportunity that people flock there. And China has 1.3 billion to deal with, this will challenge any government to an extent that cannot be underestimated or brushed aside.

Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by whooshee on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @10:13PM (#15555845)
Not many people on this thread are thinking or have a basic Empathy like you do, China is still not 'stable'.It's still on a fast track. There are problems need to be addressed. But If you look it via History scope. It's has mainly done well.
Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by dmoy on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @10:17PM (#15555862)
Yea I think we in the West are too quick to forget our rampant corruption and pollution directly after our industrial revolutions. It'll take China awhile to catch up in livability, but they'll get there once they get richer.
Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by Gustomaximus on Thursday October 26, 2017 @12:11AM (#15556282)
I really dislike this the west got to pollute while developing so other countries should be able to also mentality.

It's apple and oranges. People then didn't have technologies to choose like we do, didn't realise the impact of pollution, nor did things on the scale we are today.

Its cherry picking the bits the want for an economic advantage. If countries want to use the 'they polluted before' argument then they should go back to steam trains and gas lighting etc. Otherwise maybe the west will say look at what they did to get economic growth, now its our turn...

Sorry for the rant but I find this such a poor excuse. All countries should be held to better standards. We seem to forget a key component of capitalism is for the government to create a level playing field. And ability to pollute (or not) the enviroment should be a global tenant for all who engage in the open market.

Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by whatyoucantsay on Thursday October 26, 2017 @10:15AM (#15558985)
There weren't over three billion people living in the west during the time you speak of as there currently are in Asia. There aren't even that many people in the west now.

China, India, Indonesia, etc "catching up" is a great goal to work towards but not at the cost of ecosystem collapse and permanently wreaking the oceans.

Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by kamaal on Thursday October 26, 2017 @01:08AM (#15556501)
Seems pretty much like India.

Same issues. I think that will be with any country aiming for a very high rate of growth. Rapid progress is often chaotic.

Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by AznHisoka on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @02:25PM (#15552713)
What if you don't know any English? Should you stay put in China or move to America if you have the chance?
Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by vtange on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @02:42PM (#15552914)
I know many Chinese that manage to live in America with minimal knowledge of English. There are many sizeable Chinatowns and "bubble" communities in America where a Chinese/Taiwanese person could immerse himself/herself in and never really have to deal with English.
Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by namelost on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @08:05PM (#15555352)
How do these people get visas?
Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by AznHisoka on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @08:16PM (#15555396)
they have relatives in the usa.
Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by tim333 on Thursday October 26, 2017 @08:15AM (#15558166)
Or EB5. If you have $500k you can buy in. Apparently about 99% of the 10k issued each year go to Chinese.
Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by rb2018 on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @03:36PM (#15553371)
Or move to Taiwan if you have the chance.
Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by hellofunk on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @06:06PM (#15554725)
Taiwan is lovely but still suffers from air pollution. Much of it is local pollution, but some also that drifts over from China. I found it quite challenging when I was there.

But the food is great, so there's that.

Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by dba7dba on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @07:11PM (#15555086)
That same pollution drifts over South Korea as well.
Re:China temporarily shuts down thousands of factories in po... by azemetre on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @08:59PM (#15555552)