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Re:Why We Must Fight for the Right to Repair Our Electronics by andrepd on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @11:01PM (#15547102)
The "bulk and weight" FUD needs to stop. There is no reason that user replaceable batteries need to be heavier and bulkier than soldered batteries.
Re:Why We Must Fight for the Right to Repair Our Electronics by userbinator on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @11:21PM (#15547195)
Perfect example:

http://www.gizchina.com/2013/09/18/exclusive-hands-video-sta...

http://www.gizchina.com/2013/09/24/jiayu-g5-teardown/

Almost identical in dimensions and appearance to an iPhone 5, yet has expandable storage and a 50% more capacity removable battery. If some small Chinese company can make such a phone, so could Apple, but they deliberately chose not to.

Re:Why We Must Fight for the Right to Repair Our Electronics by coldtea on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @02:39AM (#15547995)
How many g5 batteries exploded on their owners with third party batteries, most of which are crappy?

It's easy to make anything if you have lax enough standards.

Re:Why We Must Fight for the Right to Repair Our Electronics by cyphar on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @03:20AM (#15548158)
How many Samsung devices exploded on their owners with first-party batteries? This is a ridiculous argument -- what aspect of a "non crappy" battery will result in a replaceable version being more bulky?
Re:Why We Must Fight for the Right to Repair Our Electronics by coldtea on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @04:43AM (#15548455)
Obviously the part where non-replaceable batteries are also more expensive designs created to balance maximizing energy while minimizing heat dissipation for a specific model, and studied by the company's own expert teams to specifically fit in the phone they're added in.

Random third party from lowest price manufacturers are usually not.

In fact, as you've shown, even first-party batteries can be dangerous if rushed -- like in the Samsung case you noted.

Re:Why We Must Fight for the Right to Repair Our Electronics by Zanni on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @11:28PM (#15547222)
I don't think it's FUD. I didn't do extensive research, but I quickly googled phones with replaceable batteries and found these two from LG:

LG V20 - 5.7” display, 3200mAh battery, 174g LG V10 - 5.7” display, 3000mAh battery, 192g

And here's a phone from the same manufacturer with a soldered in battery:

LG V30 - 6” display, 3300mAh battery, 159g

That's a bigger display, a bigger battery and an overall lighter weight.

It's easy for me to believe that manufacturers are soldering in batteries to deliver thinner, lighter phones since that's what they claim, and that's what they seem to deliver. But I'm happy to look at your numbers.

Re:Why We Must Fight for the Right to Repair Our Electronics by Frank2312 on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @10:07AM (#15550207)
FYI, the display is bigger, but the phone is actually smaller due to the "bezelless" design of the LG V30.

The difference in weight is mostly due to the reduced body size, so less materials used.

A thinner phone also generally weighs less due to less material.

The combination of soldered battery (so thinner phone) and "bezelless" design could explain a large part of the difference in weight due to less materials used.

[LG V20 specs] https://www.gsmarena.com/lg_v20-8238.php

[LG V30 specs] https://www.gsmarena.com/lg_v30-8712.php

Re:Why We Must Fight for the Right to Repair Our Electronics by IndrekR on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @02:25AM (#15547945)
Yes there is a reason. It is called safety. There is a big difference in making a battery in phone safe to handle and separate stand-alone battery safe to handle. This includes things like puncture resistance, heat dissipation, vibration and shock test. This results in thicker/heavier housings for the replaceable batteries.

"Safe to handle" here does not mean "looks good to me," but tested against mandatory standards.

Re:Why We Must Fight for the Right to Repair Our Electronics by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @06:56AM (#15549017)
Battery acid isn't safe to handle, so it's shipped in a container. Same for a battery, if it were unsafe external to the device then there could just be a shipping caddy - remove the battery from caddy, place old battery in caddy and take for recycling. That would probably be safer than the current situation.