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Re:If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the sam... by rodgerd on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @05:27PM (#15545391)
> This is even ignoring the 'diversity' angle - a lot of really great people are missed because it's hard to break in without knowing someone or having the right credentials.

That is literally the diversity angle.

Re:If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the sam... by hueving on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @09:06PM (#15546538)
No, the 'diversity' angle is frequently tied to things like skin color, sex, ethnicity, heritage, etc. You can have two people that match in all of those categories but one chose to go to a state school because of a family issue and then they will be ignored by Google.

This is not something any diversity program I know of in the big companies is trying to address.

Re:If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the sam... by peoplewindow on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @04:22AM (#15548367)
In the UK this would be called classism. It's the same thing but in the US setting.
Re:If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the sam... by ringaroundthetx on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @09:22PM (#15546628)
> but one chose to go to a state school because of a family issue and then they will be ignored by Google

A person with a family issue probably still has a family issue incompatible with working for a corporation across the country.

Ever think their process of selecting unencumbered elitists might be by design and super effective?

Re:If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the sam... by wavefunction on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @10:53PM (#15547061)
>probably still has a family issue

Probably? That seems to be an expansive assumption, to be charitable.

Re:If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the sam... by dba7dba on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @06:18PM (#15545705)
It is the diversity angle, considering many smart students of minority groups choose to go to public school because many come from families that cannot pay for tuition of the top 5.

Very much a diversity issue.

Re:If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the sam... by dragonwriter on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @06:26PM (#15545747)
Top 5 universities (and elite private schools more generally) are usually much cheaper than public universities for students with limited means because they have deep pockets for need-based financial aid while public schools have little if any additional campus aid.

Now, awareness of this fact may be not widespread enough, skewing the applicant pool toward the outcome.you describe because of perceived cost, but it's much more likely that a student wouldn't be able to afford a public college than an elite private one.

Re:If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the sam... by Spooky23 on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @07:50PM (#15546198)
That’s a common myth.

They usually weasel word the scope of their generosity, treat loans as gifts, etc.

The sticker price is always negotiable, but state schools are usually ahead.

Re:If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the sam... by dragonwriter on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @08:01PM (#15546252)
> That’s a common myth.

Since I personally experienced it, I'm pretty sure it's not.

Re:If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the sam... by dba7dba on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @12:23AM (#15547447)
I'm sure you and few others experienced it. But I'd say it's not that common. Just look at the make up of study body at the top 5 schools.
Re:If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the sam... by jasonx1e on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @01:30AM (#15547743)
>> But I'd say it's not that common.

Then you should look at the actual university policies outlined on their website. At top of line elite schools (Stanford, Princeton level), if your family income <$65-75K, both tuition and housing are free, and <$125K tuition is free.

I know for a fact that state schools like UC Berkeley and UCLA aren't that generous with housing.

>> Just look at the make up of study body at the top 5 schools.

Students from wealthier backgrounds tend to have more access to academic and educational resources and are thus more qualified and more likely to be admitted.

Not a judgement suggesting that a less fortunate child would not succeed in a similar environment; many of them just don't have one.

Re:If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the sam... by dragonwriter on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @01:37AM (#15547770)
That reflects more the effects of family educational background and socioeconomic class on pre-collegiate academic achievement and, even with good achievement, inclination to even bother to apply to elite schools (in part, again, because of lack of awareness that headline price isn't the whole affordability story.)
Re:If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the sam... by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @07:40PM (#15546154)
No. They're cheaper for people with nearly no means.

The people with some means (aka the "middle class") can stretch their budget to afford state school.

Most states also have transfer programs that let you go from a 2yr at a CC into the equivalent 4yr at state school which takes a huge chunk out of the cost.