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Re:How the LIDAR tech GM just bought probably works by baybal2 on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @03:07PM (#15544324)
I genuinely don't understand obsession with LIDARs in the autonomous vehicle community, a millimetre wave radar is late seventies tech, does the job many times better, for less money, and can be made by an electronics engineering undergrad from radio shack parts.

Commies had them in such abundance that they put millimetre wave imagers (and that was in seventies) on thing as cheap as vision aids for tank drivers, field guns, single shot atgms, and even small arms.

Re:How the LIDAR tech GM just bought probably works by dllu on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @05:18PM (#15545318)
I don't see how you can say millimetre wave radar "does the job many times better".

State-of-the art 79 GHz automotive radar: 0.2 m range uncertainty, 5 degree azimuth angular uncertainty, dozens of points per second.

Spinning lidar: <0.05 m range uncertainty, <0.1 degree azimuth angular uncertainty, a million points per second.

Radar definitely has its uses as it can see through weather conditions and tell velocity, but lidar is the vastly superior sensor otherwise.

Re:How the LIDAR tech GM just bought probably works by baybal2 on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @06:09PM (#15545651)
Looks surprisingly close to specs of a Panasonic made radar.

That is far from what is currently considered advanced for mm-wave radar in 93-95ghz range - 0.5 degrees

Google "GPU Acceleration of SAR/ISAR Imaging Algorithms" and see how much you can get with with regular high bandwidth 10ghz radar and computing power in tenths of gigaflops.

Re:How the LIDAR tech GM just bought probably works by rmonroe on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @12:48AM (#15547553)
SAR generally relies on assumptions that your target is not changing. I question how well it would work in a complicated environment like a road scene. In my opinion, the single-shot nature of LIDAR is more robust. But its possible that SAR techniques have advanced since my work in it 3 years ago.
Re:How the LIDAR tech GM just bought probably works by alkonaut on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @04:41PM (#15545066)
What's the difference in e.g. surface ice handling between optical and radar?

I worry that these modern cars will be basically requiring fighter jet storage in order to work. I need something that works in a snowstorm when the car is covered in ice.

My "parking sensors" (the cheap little distance sensing thingys mounted around most new cars) are screaming every time there is a little surface ice over them. I work around this by simply ignoring it. But if a car would require these sensors to function, which would be the case if it was autonomous, I'd be starting my morning drive by somehow getting the ice off them.

Re:How the LIDAR tech GM just bought probably works by Symmetry on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @04:04PM (#15544791)
Normally with radar you get very precise range and radial velocity measurements but very slopping phi and theta.
Re:How the LIDAR tech GM just bought probably works by deepnotderp on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @03:18PM (#15544407)
Resolution?
Re:How the LIDAR tech GM just bought probably works by baybal2 on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @03:54PM (#15544709)
Theoretical one is lower than that of lidar, but in practice a well made mm-wave radar, currently, has superior resolution to commercially available lidars
Re:How the LIDAR tech GM just bought probably works by deepnotderp on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @06:26PM (#15545748)
Can you point to any reasonably priced mm wave radar that has greater than lidar resolution? Genuine question.
Re:How the LIDAR tech GM just bought probably works by baybal2 on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @05:33AM (#15548676)
I researched the topic further, I would say that commercial offerings for automotive use with 1<degree resolution are not yet there, but that can be achieved.

Generally, to increase resolution you can do following - increase antenna size, increase number of antennas, increase amount of processing power thrown on it.

Right now, existing offerings can be improved in all 3 ways with ease.

Re:How the LIDAR tech GM just bought probably works by deepnotderp on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @06:54PM (#15554993)
I mean sure, but there are difficulties with doing so, no? I mean,even the military has only really relatively recently been using AESA radars.
Re:How the LIDAR tech GM just bought probably works by shusson on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @09:26PM (#15546648)
Yeah some links to actual products would be nice