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Re:Insects Are in Serious Trouble by mikeash on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:59PM (#15536451)
Imagine an economy in perfect stasis, no growth, no shrinkage, just the same stuff year after year. Now introduce some efficiency improvement, like shaving some weight from a car design, or a computer chip that performs the same computation for less power, or an agricultural technique which requires less land for the same yield. Voilà, growth without consuming additional physical resources.

Of course, this is not our main source of growth at the moment. But surely it could be?

Re:Insects Are in Serious Trouble by taw55 on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @04:27AM (#15540066)
> Of course, this is not our main source of growth at the moment. But surely it could be?

Yeah, but for how long?

Exponential economist meets finite physicist: https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2012/04/economist-meets-physicist...

Re:Insects Are in Serious Trouble by stouset on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @01:55PM (#15543628)
It makes me so happy to finally start seeing others on HN post links from the Do The Math blog. If I could make one website mandatory reading for all policy makers, economists, etc., this would be it.
Re:Insects Are in Serious Trouble by carapace on Monday October 23, 2017 @04:11PM (#15536553)
Well now you're just playing semantic games with the word "growth".

Never mind the details of the economy, population growth is the killer.

As long as the net ecosystem gain per person is negative rather than positive we are accelerating at a wall.

Re:Insects Are in Serious Trouble by mikeash on Monday October 23, 2017 @04:15PM (#15536578)
If the original post had said that population growth needed to be stopped, I'd have agreed with it. But that's not what it said.

The whole thrust of that comment and the ensuing conversation is the nature of economic growth. That's not "semantic games," that's a different topic.

Re:Insects Are in Serious Trouble by carapace on Monday October 23, 2017 @04:23PM (#15536640)
I re-read just now and yes, you're right. Sorry about that.
Re:Insects Are in Serious Trouble by mikeash on Monday October 23, 2017 @06:04PM (#15537317)
No problem, it happens.