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Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by nerfhammer on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:49PM (#15535854)
Why do you need this indirect theory when much simpler numbers like the disparity between increase of population and lack of increase in housing units are available?
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by conanbatt on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @12:00AM (#15547351)
This would explain a lot, but wouldn't explain the general great performance of assets all around, nor seems enough to explain that this effect is global.

There is a consensus that 'everything is overpriced', its just doesnt look like it will have a hard correction.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by AndrewBissell on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:34PM (#15536261)
Because there's not the same dynamic at work in other metro areas, like those cited, where real estate prices are also ramping higher.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by nerfhammer on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:49PM (#15536369)
Are you sure? Have you looked at population growth vs. housing growth in those areas, or how restrictive the zoning is?
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by swendoog on Monday October 23, 2017 @04:25PM (#15536659)
Absolutely. Take a look at Sacramento's real estate / rental prices.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by nerfhammer on Monday October 23, 2017 @06:40PM (#15537540)
And the percent housing unit growth versus percent population growth is..?

And I'm pretty sure low density zoning is in effect in every city in CA.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by linkregister on Monday October 23, 2017 @08:18PM (#15538132)
Yes, Sac’s a great example of a city that is largely in line with housing costs versus median salary increases.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by pjmorris on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:49PM (#15536366)
What's indirect about the link between money supply and prices?
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by nerfhammer on Monday October 23, 2017 @06:38PM (#15537524)
It can't explain shortages.

If the price of one thing increases relative to the price of everything else (including the price of labor, i.e., how much you get paid) that cannot directly be explained by a money supply change. A shortage being caused by something else is a much simpler explanation.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by pjmorris on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @09:15AM (#15541255)
True, shortages can be caused by a number of circumstances, including housing supply vs. demand. That said, approximately 2 Trillion of the 3 Trillion increase in the Fed's balance sheet over the last decade went to purchases of Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS). This had multiple effects, including: 1) boosting real estate prices by putting the Fed's fresh capital in competition with wage earners for real estate, and 2) supplying banks with 2T in capital that they could use for other purposes, for example VC investments in Silicon Valley. It's not just that the money supply increased; it's that the increase was targeted at house prices.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by nerfhammer on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @01:47PM (#15543528)
A shortage is supply vs. demand by definition.

Shouldn't real estate developers be able to make even more money on top of this by increasing the housing supply? Wouldn't the "banks" have cheap loans for real estate developers? This can't explain a shortage.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by pjmorris on Sunday October 29, 2017 @06:58PM (#15582016)
> A shortage is supply vs. demand by definition.

Capital dollars (from VC's) are easier to come by in SV than wage dollars. You prefer to think of the shortage as one of houses. I ask you to consider the idea that it is a shortage of wage dollars.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by conanbatt on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @12:12AM (#15547408)
What do you call shortages in this context?

Simple shock to demand can create shortages if supply is inelastic(which it is on RE in general due to the length to put a unit on the market, and it is so in San Francisco with its constrained supply)

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by ubernostrum on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:54PM (#15535899)
Because that theory allows the person promoting it to cling to an assertion that markets are perfect and never produce a bad result, and anything bad that does happen must be the fault of a government which got in the way of the perfection of the market.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by AndrewBissell on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:36PM (#15536278)
Yes, if there are two things that have been driven solely by laissez faire market dynamics in this country, they're mortgage credit extension and the construction of new housing in the Bay Area.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by conanbatt on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @11:58PM (#15547348)
I know this is not reddit, but I smell the charcoal from over here.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by icebraining on Monday October 23, 2017 @04:15PM (#15536584)
This is a lazy response. One can criticize a specific governmental policy without being an anarcho-capitalist.