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Re:Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail by ploggingdev on Monday October 23, 2017 @11:19AM (#15533800)
> "Google employees with privileged access to Gmail are conspiring to be after me, personally"

I thought employees do not have access to user data. Can anyone comment on this?

Re:Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail by zabuni on Monday October 23, 2017 @11:31AM (#15533894)
It's happened before: https://techcrunch.com/2010/09/14/google-engineer-spying-fir... If a person has enough access, and they have to, given that someone has to have admin access.
Re:Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail by londons_explore on Monday October 23, 2017 @11:58AM (#15534131)
Around 100 people have root @ Google. They get a tshirt with it on.

With months of effort researching tripwires and auditing systems, any of them could read your mail.

There's a pretty good chance they'd get caught by some auditing or alerting system they were unaware of though. Many of those systems are kept secret from employees for obvious reasons.

Any two employees collude to much more easily read your mail. There's probably ~1000 people in that position (not only the gmail team, but anyone who writes any kind of library code used by any of the databases, datastores, or application servers). They would leave audit records though, although they might go unnoticed.

Re:Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail by technofiend on Monday October 23, 2017 @12:38PM (#15534488)
That's cool in that it's such a small number. Netflix shared how they do ephemeral access by publishing bless *[1]. It would be cool to see how Google does it as well. Googling for the usual terms doesn't return anything.

[1]https://github.com/Netflix/bless

Re:Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail by DINKDINK on Monday October 23, 2017 @12:37PM (#15534481)
>100 people have root @ Google. They get a tshirt with it on.

A convenient way to put a target on your back. What benefit does this have to their security? Accountability?

Re:Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail by md_ on Monday October 23, 2017 @01:14PM (#15534806)
The t-shirts are a bit of jokey swag, not an access control mechanism. ;)
Re:Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail by DINKDINK on Monday October 23, 2017 @07:04PM (#15537664)
Yes, it’s a “hey everyone this person has the keys to the kingdom, target them” indicator.
Re:Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail by singron on Monday October 23, 2017 @07:46PM (#15537933)
It's likely that reading Gmail data and other sensitive actions require significantly less privilege than some Google-wide "root".
Re:Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail by londons_explore on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @05:08AM (#15540240)
Access controls are actually fairly locked down. I would guess the access control list for Gmail data is only ~10 people. If any of them were to make use of their access permissions, it would automatically trigger a review of their actions.
Re:Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail by joshuamorton on Monday October 23, 2017 @11:42AM (#15533972)
Worth noting that this occurred in 2009 (ie when gmail looked like this: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZaGO7GjCqAI/SYD3g8LflXI/AAAAAAAAO...).
Re:Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail by geofft on Monday October 23, 2017 @11:52AM (#15534075)
I don't know anything about Google's internals, but, like, there's some data. It gets to your screen. There's code written by Google employees that makes that happen. That code gets modified on a regular basis by Google employees. If enough Google employees get together, they can modify that code to do whatever they want.

I expect that any single Google employee does not have access, in the sense that they've locked themselves out of making changes to their systems without a computer seeing multiple human approvals. But there is a point at which someone can fix that computer.

But yes, my point was that the threat model here isn't "one Google employee goes rogue," it's "multiple Google employees with extremely privileged access to Gmail and/or their code deployment servers all decide that they want to read your email without telling you, and nobody blows any whistles," which seems much more far-fetched.

Re:Why ProtonMail is more secure than Gmail by cisanti on Monday October 23, 2017 @11:29AM (#15533879)
If there is a will, there is a way. It's all about trust, but I'm sure st least publicly they have stated employees do not have that access.