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Re:Alarming number of DNS requests made by iOS devices by freehunter on Saturday October 21, 2017 @09:37PM (#15524653)
>iOS is a BSD-like OS configured so that the user does not fully control it

Oh come on. You act like this is some malicious or unexpected new behavior when this is how Apple has behaved for at least 15 years now. And if the BSD guys didn't want their software used in that fashion, they'd change their license. But since BSD wrote their own license that allows for that, they explicitly approve of it.

Don't act like you're scandalized about discovering the big secret that Apple won't let you fully control your iPhone in 2017.

Re:Alarming number of DNS requests made by iOS devices by jjoonathan on Saturday October 21, 2017 @11:03PM (#15524949)
> You act like this is some malicious or unexpected new behavior

No, I'm pretty GP "acts like"

> After many years of desensitization to this practice since the first iPhone, it is neither "a secret" nor "scandalous"

I've never really understood the absurd (but common!) argument that a repugnant state of affairs isn't worth discussion if it isn't new. Usually, the heckler even agrees with the person they're heckling! What's the goal? Sabotage of a cause one agrees with merely to redeem hipster / cynic points? I don't get it.

It's disappointing that GP felt the need to preemptively address this possibility in their post, but it's downright silly that parent didn't even let this fact stop them. So it goes.

Re:Alarming number of DNS requests made by iOS devices by freehunter on Sunday October 22, 2017 @12:12AM (#15525122)
I think it's fair to note that they edited that part in after I wrote my comment using that exact same wording, but failed to mention they edited it. It's not that their wording didn't stop me from replying, its that their wording did not exist when I replied.

It's a scummy argument tactic, which you've proven is highly effective.

Re:Alarming number of DNS requests made by iOS devices by jjoonathan on Sunday October 22, 2017 @12:28AM (#15525161)
A fair complaint, but you didn't address my main argument -- that novelty shouldn't be a precondition for discussing repugnant situations. Diversion is also a scummy argument tactic.
Re:Alarming number of DNS requests made by iOS devices by freehunter on Sunday October 22, 2017 @12:44AM (#15525190)
Seriously? Diversion? You just spent 100 words ripping me apart for a completely valid argument that you misunderstood, and you have the gall to say I'm only pointing that out as a diversion. Seriously. Take a look at yourself right now.

This was their original comment without their subsequent edits:

>I have been logging, redirecting and blocking these queries for these domains and more for years.

>It is one of our biggest complaints about the "new" Apple. There is no option for the user to disable the nonstop phoning home. iOS is a BSD-like OS configured so that the user does not fully control it. The user cannot fully configure it. This is no fun.

>Turn on an iOS device and it will keep trying to connect to Apple servers; it will not stop. An incredible tracking device if those servers keep logs.

It's a far whinier post, with the biggest complaint being that the BSD license allows companies to lock their software down, as intended. Not every piece of software needs to be fully controllable by the end user. I wouldn't call it "repugnant".

Re:Alarming number of DNS requests made by iOS devices by tomcam on Saturday October 21, 2017 @10:01PM (#15524736)
How do you know when the parent poster knew what? Must all Apple users know the entire history of Apple device DNS usage? Where is the universally known documentation on such usage?
Re:Alarming number of DNS requests made by iOS devices by akerl_ on Saturday October 21, 2017 @10:06PM (#15524758)
I'd expect somebody commenting about "the 'new' Apple" to have awareness of Apple's historical activity, yes.
Re:Alarming number of DNS requests made by iOS devices by freehunter on Saturday October 21, 2017 @10:04PM (#15524752)
I'm not talking about DNS usage because neither were they. They were talking about being able to fully control their iOS device, which has never been the case, even dating back to the original iPod.

There is pretty universal documentation on that called "every sentence ever uttered about iOS since ever".