Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by WalterBright on Saturday October 21, 2017 @07:12PM
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Light rail will create demand to live near and locate businesses near the stations.
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Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by DrScump on Saturday October 21, 2017 @07:58PM
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Can you name examples where this oft-predicted result has actually happened (in the USA, anyway)? That certainly hasn't been the result in the Bay Area.
Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by stevenbedrick on Sunday October 22, 2017 @02:01AM
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It definitely happened in Portland when they ran the Orange line. We were house-hunting a year or two before the new light rail opened, and realtors showing houses along its route were already starting to make a point of mentioning it.
As soon as it actually opened, neighborhoods that could use it suddenly got a lot more desirable (read: expensive).
Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by asveikau on Saturday October 21, 2017 @08:39PM
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Bethesda, Maryland. It was very sleepy before it became a metro stop. In the last 30 years it had a crap ton of development mostly centered around the metro.
Actually... Can you name a few places in a metro area that didn't experience such a boom after a transit stop was introduced? In the bay area even? I feel like I have only ever seen examples of it being good for retail, restaurants, home values.
Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by DrScump on Saturday October 21, 2017 @09:11PM
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Metro considers itself traditional fixed rail, not light rail.
a metro area that didn't experience such a boom
I was responding to the specific claim "Light rail will create demand to live near and locate businesses near the stations." The point isn't about whether a broad area benefits from rail (vs. no rail at all) but whether adding light rail to a fully built-out environment will drive more dense business development near the added rail and because of the addition of rail. I don't know of any USA data that supports that.
Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by asveikau on Saturday October 21, 2017 @09:24PM
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Ok. I thought you meant transit in general.
Take a ride from the Seattle airport to downtown on the light rail sometime, then. You will see a lot of nice looking apartments that didn't used to be there. And you will see some less nice neighborhoods interspersed.
Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by doingmything on Saturday October 21, 2017 @10:52PM
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Columbia City is a perfect example of this
Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by rsynnott on Sunday October 22, 2017 @07:48AM
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This certainly happens very obviously in European cities. It’s possible that it happens less so in the US for cultural reasons, I suppose.
Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by xapata on Sunday October 22, 2017 @02:37AM
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It's happening in advance of the Beltline transit in Atlanta. The Beltline has been building out park/trail and surrounding neighborhoods are doing very well. The light rail is currently just a promise.
Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by briandear on Saturday October 21, 2017 @09:14PM
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Definitely didn’t happen in Houston. There was a spike of enthusiasm but light rail proximity has almost no effect on property values.
Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by brewdad on Sunday October 22, 2017 @01:07PM
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Is Houston's light rail actually useful? Last I knew it really only ran from one end of downtown to the other.
Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by xapata on Sunday October 22, 2017 @02:40AM
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Houston is a bit too spread out. Where can you get to on the rail?
Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by yesiamyourdad on Saturday October 21, 2017 @10:55PM
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Denver. Lots of high density developments near the light rail and A line (technically commuter rail) stops.
Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by solipsism on Saturday October 21, 2017 @08:27PM
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Chicago and "El" train stops.
Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by stephengillie on Saturday October 21, 2017 @07:24PM
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This is the claim used to advertise these, but do we really see many Amazonians commuting in from Beacon Hill or Georgetown?
Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by slackingoff2017 on Saturday October 21, 2017 @08:02PM
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I have seen this happen firsthand. It took a few years but the "rail line to nowhere" built near me around 5 years ago has giant housing complexes surrounding every station. It runs over capacity during rush hour now.
I assume this only happens in places where the roads are overloaded though
Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by WalterBright on Saturday October 21, 2017 @07:33PM
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As I recall, Seattle zoning actually worked to prevent increased density and parking near transit stations.
Re:How Seattle Got More People to Ride the Bus
by tzerrell on Saturday October 21, 2017 @10:11PM
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In Seattle at least, I would expect the implicit suggestion to upzone near a light rail station would be at least as important as greater land value from demand. I'm not sure how much a light rail station induces Seattle to upzone -- I've heard mixed reports.