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Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by jsdalton on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @10:26AM (#1551262)
Are Vitamin D supplements and Vitamin D obtained from the sun the same thing? What I mean is, are supplements good enough, or is sun exposure really required?
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by robg on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @10:43AM (#1551332)
Scientifically, that seems to be a tough question to answer. But it's probably better if your body makes it because it will be more easily usable. You only need 15 mins of direct sun exposure to produce more than enough for your daily requirements. The problem is my body has stopped producing Vitamin D. We've tried kick starting the system with the 50,000 IU dose and it barely moved my levels.

Of course, the sun is also free (unless you worry that 15 mins/day can cause cancer) while if you buy supplements you'd want the high quality ones and preferably in a fatty medium for easier absorption. The D3 form is more easily converted by the body into an active form.

Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by adammichaelc on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @11:21AM (#1551495)
"you only need 15 minutes"

It's important to qualify that this is only true of people with lower levels of melanin (ie white people). For Hispanics and Asians/Indians the number is probably closer to 60 minutes, and for those of African descent the number is closer to 120 minutes.

Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by rarrrrrr on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @03:31PM (#1552421)
Yes! It's also important to note that sunlight through glass DOES NOT COUNT.
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by kristiandupont on Wednesday July 28, 2010 @09:45AM (#1554302)
Why not?
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by lulin on Wednesday July 28, 2010 @12:40PM (#1554787)
Probably because glass filters UV light.
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by sliverstorm on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @11:26AM (#1551504)
That's evolution in action, folks. Just look at where each ethnicity originates from, and it makes perfect sense. When you live in northern Europe, you may not get much sun, and have to make the most of it.
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by benpbenp on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @12:12PM (#1551682)
An interesting addition to that point is the fact that it's the unique combination of little sun + arable land that set the stage for whiteness to develop in northern Europe. Take northern Native Americans-- they had little sun but also couldn't grow grains and so got plenty of vitamin D through their meat-only diet. There was an article here on HN about this some time ago.
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by jerf on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @01:47PM (#1552032)
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by philwelch on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @09:03PM (#1553234)
Inuit in particular are especially dark because seal fat is soaked in Vitamin D.
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by arethuza on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @11:56AM (#1551626)
I'm in Scotland, what is this "sun" thing you speak of?
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by jacquesm on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @12:02PM (#1551645)
Possibly your skin can make vitamin D from rain ?
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by arethuza on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @12:27PM (#1551722)
I believe we Scots are adapted (or at least attempting to adapt) to produce the necessary vitamins from a combination of alcohol and deep fried food. (e.g. deep fried pizzas and Mars bars).
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by jacquesm on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @12:30PM (#1551738)
Fish & Chips actually contain quite a bit of vitamin D!
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by stcredzero on Wednesday July 28, 2010 @10:25AM (#1554382)
The Scots have adapted to harsh modern environments containing hazards like the deep fat fryer, but what of more recent technological hazards? (And Hollywood!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ

Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by sliverstorm on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @01:52PM (#1552043)
It's a large, blazing fiery mystic beast that is greatly feared for its ability to kill masses of people through silent, sneaky death via waves. Many people are convinced one day it will destroy everything.

You're missing out, really.

Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by jamesbritt on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @06:25PM (#1552944)
Come to Phoenix, AZ. I'll give you a demo.

:)

Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by jamesk2 on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @12:03PM (#1551649)
Season and location are factors too.

In the winter in the SF bay area, it's very unlikely your skin can make enough vitamin D.

After one winter here, I my D levels were at 20 ng/ml -- way below what many believe is the sufficient level of 30 ng/ml.

Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by aw3c2 on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @12:18PM (#1551699)
Also it is important to keep in mind that the sun has a lower altitude over the horizon in winter (for europeans), you need more exposure then.
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by robg on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @11:38AM (#1551541)
Do you have sources for those numbers? They seem very high.
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by adammichaelc on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @12:16PM (#1551696)
A quick google search found this:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%223-6+times%22+%22vitamin+d%...

My battery is about to die in the iPhone, so I don't have time to curate the list, but from a quick glance a couple of the sources from the google search look credible.

Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by fauigerzigerk on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @11:09AM (#1551437)
I would assume that it gets turned into the same thing by the process they describe in the article. It ends up as 25-hydroxyvitamin D, which is what they measure in the end I believe. But I'm anything but an expert.
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by gregwebs on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @10:19PM (#1553381)
UV-B reacts with the 7-Dehydrocholesterol in your skin to produce cholecalciferol (D3) If you take vitamin D, make sure it is D3! So either way it will hit your liver as D3.

The body was designed to get D from sun, and it is difficult to overdose that way unless you are a lifeguard. It is easy enough to overdose on D if it is taken orally.

There are other effects than vitamin D from sun exposure- it would be presumptuous to assume you could achieve optimal health from a vitamin D supplement.

Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by miked on Wednesday July 28, 2010 @03:28AM (#1553814)
If you take vitamin D, make sure it is D3!

In his book _The Vitamin D Solution_, Dr. Michael Holick ( the discoverer of the active form of Vit-D) debunks this myth with data. I haven't read most of it, but it looks interesting.

Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by gregwebs on Wednesday August 18, 2010 @02:19PM (#1615045)
Thanks, I have his older book- I will see if he mentions that in there. I think either way it would be a safer bet to take D3- it seems everyone (including Holick I presume) is in agreement that D3 is a perfectly good form of vitamin D.
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by joezydeco on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @11:12AM (#1551458)
FTA: "Although more foods today are supplemented with vitamin D, experts say it is rarely possible to consume adequate amounts through foods."
Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by flatulent1 on Wednesday July 28, 2010 @09:16AM (#1554262)
I believe that vitamin D is best taken with and is absorbed in and later stored in fat (and the liver).

Excessive amounts of animal fat are bad since it is a saturated fat, but some is beneficial. I suspect that range fed beef has more vitamin D since animals in the open get more sun and would store vitamin D in a smaller amount of fat built up over more time.

Obese corn fed feed lot cattle are less healthy for other reasons also. The corn diet is very unnatural for them. It leads to rapid fat buildup with some meats containing over four times the fat of range fed animals. The diet causes the digestive system to become more acidic making the animals prone to various infections including E-coli a very dangerous bacteria. The E-coli mutates in the overly acidic animals becoming a form which humans often can't fight off without antibiotics if it wasn't already killed in cooking. The E-coli in range fed animals is not so troublesome. Bacterial that does survive in the animals loaded with antibiotics is also apt to be more resistant to treatment.

Because of the the danger of E-coli, ground beef must be cooked well done all the way through. Slaughter exposes meat from other parts of the animal to the bacteria and if gets mixed all the way through when ground. Other beef should be eaten fresh and washed well before cooking, and utensils and cutting boards used with the raw meat should be kept separate from those used for vegetables and other foods. Besides tasting better, non-ground beef is more nutritious if the color isn't cooked out. Meat that's still juicy contains a fair amount of iron in the blood.

PBS in the US has been running a documentary about corn production in Iowa. The subsidized inedible corn (tastes like cardboard, engineered for high yield per acre) is used mainly as cattle feed and to produce high fructose corn syrup, a non-nutritious addictive destructive AND CHEAP sweetener that's found its way into many of our foods. It's hurting us not only when consumed directly, but by degrading the beef produced as explained above. People consume more saturated fat in the beef. The excess fat and sugar has caused a major increase in diabetes in the last 20 years.

Although supplements help with vitamin D problems, we really should be looking closely at what we eat and how it is produced. END CORN SUBSIDIES!!! contact your representatives. The corn isn't profitable without subsidies, farmers (big business now) would switch to nutritious crops if not paid to do the wrong thing.

U.S. broadcasting has become dangerously consolidated in the hands of a small number of corporations and even more insidious venture capital groups. Pressure the F.C.C. and your representative for change, and watch and support your P.B.S. (non profit community tv) stations.

For all of us to be healthier we should step back and see what's going on, be educated, produce healthy foods, eat properly, and live a healthier lifestyle. Some would say that's all too costly, but disease treatment costs even more and there is no price tag on suffering.

Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by flatulent1 on Wednesday July 28, 2010 @09:43AM (#1554301)
Some may be interested to know that the beef industry has attempted to manipulate the education process. Clearly they're fighting even awareness of healthier food practices and don't want future employees to know what's up

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/10/california-agr...

Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by jlcgull on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @10:53AM (#1551375)
As a corollary to this, I am also curious about vitamin D levels in people using UV tanning beds.

Assuming equal carcinogenic potential from sun exposure and from such beds (which is most likely an incorrect assumption), the results should be insightful.

Re:What Do You Lack? Probably Vitamin D by carbocation on Tuesday July 27, 2010 @11:15AM (#1551470)
So long as they're getting exposed to UVB, they should be producing Vitamin D. E.g., http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v125/n5/full/5603599a.html

The absolute amount of Vitamin D needed is quite modest, and the risk of cancer is (typically seen as) proportional to sun exposure; hence the recommendation for some - but not much - UV exposure.