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Re:Analyzing HN moderation and censorship by wvenable on Thursday October 19, 2017 @11:42AM (#15508860)
Huge flame wars get a lot of upvotes and lots of comments -- but it's essentially the forum equivalent of candy. If you want your forum to have some nutritional value than you can't let the candy topics run rampant no matter how much people seem to want them.
Re:Analyzing HN moderation and censorship by zorpner on Thursday October 19, 2017 @03:05PM (#15510664)
It should be noted that this is an explicit strategy by proponents of the status quo, to make any discussion of the topic so toxic that the topic itself becomes banned.

It's possible to moderate a discussion forum to avoid this, but it requires a high level of involvement from the moderators and a willingness to aggressively recognize and prune divisive commentary regardless of the specific tone or content.

Re:Analyzing HN moderation and censorship by j45 on Thursday October 19, 2017 @05:33PM (#15511718)
I like HN because it is more mature and there's lots of places for people to have fun like that.
Re:Analyzing HN moderation and censorship by andrewguenther on Thursday October 19, 2017 @11:50AM (#15508923)
I think that makes sense. But how much is too much? Say you have a very high post volume on one side of an issue, so you start moderating more heavily. Do you allow posts through representing the other side? Is that "fair"?
Re:Analyzing HN moderation and censorship by AnimalMuppet on Thursday October 19, 2017 @12:31PM (#15509338)
The issue isn't really the one-sided-ness of the comments, or the volume of the comments. The issue is the quality of the comments.

Even on a hot-button topic, there are quality comments made, by both sides. Those are worth reading, no matter which side you take on the issue. And then there are the "You're so stupid, how could you think something so idiotic, I hope you die in a fire" comments. Those comments don't add much except noise. If you want the quality comments to be visible among the noise, you need to weed out the noise comments. You need this more on hot-button topics, because they attract more noise comments.

Re:Analyzing HN moderation and censorship by dec0dedab0de on Thursday October 19, 2017 @01:05PM (#15509591)
I believe there is an automatic penalty if the comment count goes above the vote count beyond a certain percentage
Re:Analyzing HN moderation and censorship by ZenoArrow on Thursday October 19, 2017 @01:30PM (#15509800)
Makes sense. That's the clearest indication I've seen of contentious topics on HN (comment count higher than the topic vote count).
Re:Analyzing HN moderation and censorship by wvenable on Thursday October 19, 2017 @12:07PM (#15509110)
For the most part, the topic gathers posts from both sides regardless of the content of the linked article. So simply flagging the entire topic away is fair.
Re:Analyzing HN moderation and censorship by anigbrowl on Thursday October 19, 2017 @03:47PM (#15511000)
Huge flame wars get a lot of upvotes and lots of comments -- but it's essentially the forum equivalent of candy.

Sez you. The unspoken premise is that nothing is so important that it's worth stopping to have an argument over. Perhaps I'm misreading your views, but when they're tossed out as an aphorism they come off as smug rather than substantive.

Re:Analyzing HN moderation and censorship by SimbaOnSteroids on Thursday October 19, 2017 @05:01PM (#15511530)
There is a difference between an argument and having a knock down drag out fight.

For example when parents have a disagreement about how to deal with catching their child sneaking in drunk after a party.

This can go many ways but for the purpose of highlighting the difference take Chris and Pat.

(argument)

Chris: Pat, I can understand how you'd feel that way, but considering the family history of alcoholism, maybe we should take a more conservative approach with this.

vs

(flame war)

Chris: Well, Pat... Maybe if your mother had cared half as much about you and your brother growing up as I'm trying to care about our kids and cracked down on you guys a little bit, maybe your brother would have stopped at that red light, and maybe your kids would have an Uncle.

Re:Analyzing HN moderation and censorship by anigbrowl on Thursday October 19, 2017 @07:19PM (#15512373)
Unpleasant as the flame war version is, it does cut to the heart of the matter rather than tiptoeing around it, which can perpetuate a problem. Both approaches have their place.