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Re:AlphaGo Zero: Learning from scratch by narvind on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @01:55PM (#15501311)
How I wish Marvin Minsky would have stayed alive for one more year and seen this. He would have been so happy!
Re:AlphaGo Zero: Learning from scratch by bradleybuda on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @03:43PM (#15502269)
In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.

“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky.

“I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied.

“Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky.

“I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.

Minsky then shut his eyes.

“Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.

“So that the room will be empty.”

At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/koans.html

Re:AlphaGo Zero: Learning from scratch by tedunangst on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @05:26PM (#15503301)
So Sussman was right the first time?
Re:AlphaGo Zero: Learning from scratch by zardo on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @06:59PM (#15504021)
A random net has some random preconception. That doesn't mean it's a bad idea to try random preconceptions.
Re:AlphaGo Zero: Learning from scratch by goatlover on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @06:22PM (#15503767)
And he would have still said that deep learning lacks any sort of common sense understanding that's necessary to get close to human level intelligence.
Re:AlphaGo Zero: Learning from scratch by farresito on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @03:56PM (#15502386)
I think he was cryopreserved, so he surely will be surprised once they wake him up in the future, assuming cryonics really works.
Re:AlphaGo Zero: Learning from scratch by thefalcon on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @05:14PM (#15503180)
I'd certainly be surprised if I ever woke up from being cryopreserved. Which isn't to say that I'd object to the process if I had the disposable income and an understanding/cooperative family support structure, which I do not.
Re:AlphaGo Zero: Learning from scratch by tim333 on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @07:30PM (#15504201)
I wonder if it would be more popular if the cost was reduced to something similar to a regular funeral. It seems it might be a more cheery send off even if the chances of it working are questionable.
Re:AlphaGo Zero: Learning from scratch by thefalcon on Thursday October 19, 2017 @02:15PM (#15510227)
You can already buy an insurance plan that will pay for it in some states, and that's reasonably priced. In my case religious family members would never let it go down though even if the finances were solved.