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Re:Pixel Visual Core: Google’s first custom-designed co-proc... by matwood on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @10:04AM (#15499210)
> This thread seems to be filled with amateur professionals thinking that their iPhone or Pixel will magically do something optically it can't (yet?).

This is key. I own some decent camera gear and I'm amazed at what is coming out of all of the top end phones. Of course I can critique and find faults, but the pictures that non-photographers can take with their phones in a matter of seconds are down right amazing.

I actually wonder if the gear heads feel their domain threatened? I'm waiting for the day when I don't have to lug around my camera and multiple pounds of lenses in order to get all the shots I want :)

Re:Pixel Visual Core: Google’s first custom-designed co-proc... by ksk on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @02:24PM (#15501594)
> but the pictures that non-photographers can take with their phones in a matter of seconds are down right amazing.

But that simply highlights that simply owning good gear doesn't mean you can shoot good pictures. You still need to learn lighting, composition, posing your subjects, etc etc, which was always the case!

Re:Pixel Visual Core: Google’s first custom-designed co-proc... by matwood on Thursday October 19, 2017 @09:28AM (#15507653)
Absolutely. Every photographer should be focused on those things as job one. My point above was that many wannabe photographers just focus on gear, and they are very quick to be critical of what phones are producing. My point was that phones can and are making great pictures without requiring a bag full of gear, and that it's highlighting that gear is secondary to the skills you listed.
Re:Pixel Visual Core: Google’s first custom-designed co-proc... by ksk on Thursday October 19, 2017 @12:48PM (#15509461)
I guess we have different personalities in mind when it comes to gear-heads. I think of them as people chasing tiny (sometimes imperceptible) improvements which only require you to buy something as opposed to learning something. (much like the casual bikers who chase tiny weight reductions or obsess over which bike is more "aero").

>My point was that phones can and are making great pictures without requiring a bag full of gear, and that it's highlighting that gear is secondary to the skills you listed.

I'd phrase it differently though, and I'm sure you'd agree. I'd say that gear isn't secondary, but gear is a tool that should be used when appropriate. You still need carry an external flash/light/etc if you want to light your subject in poor light. You still need to carry a long lens if you want to take a picture of an eagle perched in a tree. You still need a tripod if you want long exposures, etc, etc.

Re:Pixel Visual Core: Google’s first custom-designed co-proc... by ggus on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @10:33AM (#15499458)
..or for the day that we have all those magic baked into our "decent camera gear"!
Re:Pixel Visual Core: Google’s first custom-designed co-proc... by matwood on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @01:40PM (#15501173)
And the problem is that it's mostly software. The main camera people (Cannon/Nikon) are terrible at software. From what I understand Cannon is a bit better, but all of the software I use from Nikon is horrible. I love the lenses, and my Nikon body, but anytime I have to use their software I cringe. I also don't see how they fix this anytime soon. It's just not part of their DNA.