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Re:UK spies using social media data for mass surveillance by turblety on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @12:19AM (#15496863)
One thing we're learning is that the UK government can do whatever it wants. Who is going to stop it breaking it's own laws? The UK people have been educated in an obedience system (where they actually all wear a uniform) and are taught to do what they're told without challenge. The result is a large population of people who can not think for themselves and believe that the government is like a big parent who can keep them nice and safe.

For years the UK at least had the EU who has some laws protecting people, but they've even convinced these obedient lemmings to leave the only union protecting their rights.

One of the biggest problems with government and law is that the people will only fight for what they want, not what they already have. Meaning history will always repeat itself, laws will be passed when people become repressed, then repealed as soon as people forget.

Re:UK spies using social media data for mass surveillance by switch007 on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @02:36AM (#15497327)
> One thing we're learning is that the UK government can do whatever it wants

This shouldn't be news for anyone who's lived here a few years, with a basic understanding of UK politics. The acrid stench of arrogance and righteousness that emanates from Westminster travels to the far corners of these isles.

Re:UK spies using social media data for mass surveillance by pjc50 on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @05:10AM (#15497811)
Vindictiveness, enabled by the newspapers, is a big part of this as well. A large chunk of the public don't want rights for everyone; they would actually prefer a system where the police beat confessions out of suspects and people are fitted up for crimes because they're a minority who happened to be near it.
Re:UK spies using social media data for mass surveillance by Chriky on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @06:14AM (#15497994)
The UK government, along with all major political parties, campaigned AGAINST leaving the EU.

I know HN loves its skin deep political analysis but this really is weak.

Re:UK spies using social media data for mass surveillance by turblety on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @09:03AM (#15498769)
I wouldn't say they "campaigned" against it. Wasn't one of the biggest issues people had with Brexit was the complete lack of information and opinions from the government on how they should vote. If anything the government was too silent and didn't take a side either way.

However, a few officials did offer their opinions, but it was mostly to leave, with Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage getting considerable media coverage. There was also Michael Gove, Ian Dunken Smith, Chris Grayling, Zac Goldsmith, and all those Grassroots Out guys. They were very vocal and on radio and TV nearly every day.

Just because Cameron quit office and a few other politicians said once or twice that we shouldn't leave doesn't make it a "campaign". Trust me, when the UK government campaigns they are very good at it (smoking ban, traffic safety, more surveillance less rights for people).

So no, I really disagree with your claim the government "campaigned" against leaving EU. Maybe you're right and they didn't outright support the plan, but definitely didn't put a lot of effort trying to stop it.

Re:UK spies using social media data for mass surveillance by Chriky on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @10:26AM (#15499392)
> Just because Cameron quit office and a few other politicians said once or twice that we shouldn't leave doesn't make it a "campaign".

I'm sorry, this is just blatantly false. You simply must not have been in the UK during the referendum campaign.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/22/david-camer...

> David Cameron criss-crossed the country on Wednesday in a final effort to warn Britain’s voters against rejecting the EU in the historic poll, that will also be read as a referendum on his premiership.

> Appearing in his shirt sleeves, and with his voice breaking at times, the prime minister issued an impassioned personal plea to the public to reject the “untruths” of the leave campaign. He pleaded for voters to “put jobs first, put the economy first”.

Re:UK spies using social media data for mass surveillance by lostboys67 on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @09:37AM (#15498995)
well I would say (as semi pro rules lawyer) that David Cameron was grossly incompetent in framing the referendum Q. And arguably some one should have demanded judicial review as the referendum did not follow custom and practice by using a simple majority instead of the normal 2/3 or 75% to make major changes
Re:UK spies using social media data for mass surveillance by insert_username on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @03:58PM (#15502405)
I don't think the remain campaign was particularly effective (though the leave campaign also seemed pretty disorganized and amateurish at times), and I think Cameron was a little overconfident, but it's ridiculous to suggest that the remain side didn't really care about the result. It was obvious that Cameron's political career depended on getting a remain victory, so of course he worked hard for it.

The referendum was purely advisory, so it's up to the government to decide how they want to interpret the result. There is no "custom and practice" of requiring 2/3 or 75% supermajorities in the UK, and judicial review is pretty limited here anyway. The goal of the referendum was to deliver a blow to Ukip and the eurosceptic wing of the Conservative party - anything that made the referendum seem biased against them would have just made them more angry and self-righteous.

Re:UK spies using social media data for mass surveillance by lostboys67 on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:51AM (#15531479)
Err no Citrine's ABC of chairman ship mentions this and its custom and practice for major changes to require a super majority every company has some types of motion that require 2/3 or 75% to pass.
Re:UK spies using social media data for mass surveillance by vixen99 on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @03:53AM (#15497573)
'its own laws'