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Re:UK spies using social media data for mass surveillance by e12e on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @10:38PM (#15496488)
> That's a silly objection. The 'good' they're attempting to do is preventing terrorism by sifting through the sea of available information on social media.

They are trying to prevent terrorism. And they are sifting through lots of data.

They are also doing a lot of other things. I certainly hope terrorism isn't their main concern. Maybe some of that data is helpful preventing the odd hate crime. But it might just also be used for union busting or something like it in the name of stability and law and order.

Total surveillance is useful to control a population - but I don't think it's particularly useful as a counter terrorism tool.

Re:UK spies using social media data for mass surveillance by anigbrowl on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @12:24AM (#15496877)
To be honest I don't think they have that many other ideas. Infiltration and in-person spying is really quite hard to do against affinity groups and is also ethically problematic (eg sting operations and so on). There's a great deal of political pressure, compounded by the 24 hour news cycle and nowadays by social media. A politician that says 'look people, we made some bad foreign-policy choices and we're just going to have to put up with a bit more of this terrorism until they feel better about us' might as well start writing their memoirs because their career in politics will be over the minute they say that in public.

In a way, I think the traditional mode of representative government is part of the problem. It simply doesn't reward anyone to level with the public like that. I'd like to be shown wrong, can anyone provide a counterexample of a politician serving in office who persuaded the public to just accept it? The only sort-of example I can think of is US politicians who throw up their hands over teh gun control issue after a massacre and say they can't really do anything and then wait for the issue to fall off the front page. But that's also why so many people are disgusted by politics.

If you want politicians to stop engaging in security theater and the like, it looks like you're going to have to buy them off. With enough money a politician will apparently say anything. Doesn't sound too sustainable to me though.