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Re:Flatiron School settles for operating without license, em... by lloyd-christmas on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @03:32PM (#15494111)
> CS majors are also doing 2-4 internships which are by and large more formational experiences than a bootcamp

This seems like a left turn from my comment. Nowhere did I say bootcamps are a replacement for formal education. I was comparing the value of time in the workforce vs. time spent in school. I was discussing finance majors who, shockingly, also do internships. I don't know anyone that took a bootcamp as a replacement to a college education, so I'm not sure where you pulled any of this from.

> I don't know where you work that a developer working "only" 50h weeks is "generous" but I hope I never find myself applying there.

Maybe my part of the world is unique, but I've never worked less than 50 hours per week in my 10 years and I honestly can't say I know anyone that does excluding people with "non-professional" jobs.

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Re:Flatiron School settles for operating without license, em... by lovich on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @03:50PM (#15494263)
I've worked exactly one job that routinely took more than 40 hours/week and I make sure to not fall into that trap again. 50 hours a week standard is the same as a 20% per hour pay cut
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Re:Flatiron School settles for operating without license, em... by KGIII on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @06:34PM (#15495542)
Only if you're not paid by the hour.
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Re:Flatiron School settles for operating without license, em... by lovich on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @10:46PM (#15496524)
True, but is that a significant amount of people who would be going to boot camps for engineering? The type of people who have the personality to get and succeed at consulting jobs seem to overlap heavily with the type of people who can learn on their own
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Re:Flatiron School settles for operating without license, em... by lloyd-christmas on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @01:13AM (#15497035)
You're saying people who actively sought out continuing education and were willing to do a career transition are people who aren't willing to learn on their own? That's just silly.
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Re:Flatiron School settles for operating without license, em... by KGIII on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @01:34AM (#15497088)
I think they are saying the opposite.

Some of the stats in the thread seem to indicate that a not insignificant minority do self employ or consult.

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Re:Flatiron School settles for operating without license, em... by lovich on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @08:34AM (#15498586)
I was saying the opposite.
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Re:Flatiron School settles for operating without license, em... by lloyd-christmas on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @10:09AM (#15499254)
Sorry, I completely misinterpreted that as "taking coursework" is the opposite of "independent learning"
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Re:Flatiron School settles for operating without license, em... by lovich on Thursday October 19, 2017 @12:38AM (#15505510)
Nah I meant more that bootcamps aren't the "proper path" for lack of a better phrase, that everyone goes to by default. It takes a certain amount of motivation to go out of the norm, or at least a certain amount of comfort with that risk, and that same mindset applies to entreprenership.

I say this as someone who just went to college because that's what you do and only got into software because my degree led to a $10/hr job which could not pay rent and student loans. If I had gotten 25 or 30 an hour there's a good chance I never would have had the impetus to teach myself anything

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Re:Flatiron School settles for operating without license, em... by ng12 on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @03:51PM (#15494272)
> I was discussing finance majors

I wasn't, I explicitly said I can't speak for finance majors. My point I would not consider 2 years of work and a 4 year CS degree from a well-regarded school to be equivalent for technical hires.

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