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Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by Animats on Monday October 16, 2017 @02:20AM (#15481248)
Tesla is doing stamping on-site and in-house. They have to store their in-process inventory somewhere. Toyota tends to push that problem back on their suppliers, demanding small just-in-time deliveries at a steady rate regardless of the optimum batch size for each part.

It's an classic problem in manufacturing. Where do you put the in-process inventory? Near where it's made? Near where it's used? Someplace else? What batch size do you use for each part? Bigger batches produce lower costs, but you have to put the stuff somewhere. There's software for optimizing this. But over-optimizing that can be a mistake.

Part of the Toyota system is to deliberately keep sources of confusion away from assembly, because confusion in assembly, where many parts come together, is likely to affect both quality and cost. It's better to have trouble upstream, where there's more buffering.

Tesla is in this mess because their production line is running far slower than planned, and their production planning was for a higher rate. So parts manufacturing and final assembly are out of sync.

Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by lostboys67 on Monday October 16, 2017 @04:16AM (#15481636)
I agree with all respect to Jean he's a computer guy and not a Mech Engineer. If Tesla has cheap land and can store locally why not - remember that Japan doesn't have as much land space as the USA has

JIT just pushes the costs on to smaller suppliers who a large company can effectively bully in the same way big supermarkets bully framers.

Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by struppi on Monday October 16, 2017 @04:55AM (#15481782)
"JIT just pushes the costs on to smaller suppliers who a large company can effectively bully in the same way big supermarkets bully framers."

This is not how the TPS works (At least not in theory. In practice, bullying may or may not happen - I don't know about any). The idea behind JIT is that you can react to changes in external circumstances faster.

Also, the suppliers should also not have huge stockpiles of parts. Then they can, too, react fast to changes in demand. But this can also cause problems: http://sloanreview.mit.edu/article/the-toyota-group-and-the-...

Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by Animats on Monday October 16, 2017 @01:11PM (#15484854)
If you have a stamping plant, you usually have far fewer presses than part numbers. You stamp out some part, then change dies to stamp out another part. Die changing and adjustment is time-consuming and is non-productive downtime. Once a press and die set is running well, it will produce parts at a good rate without much attention, but die changing is labor-intensive. The less often you change, the lower the cost per unit.

The optimal batch size at the stamping plant may be quite different from the batch size the assembly plant wants. That means in-process inventory, stored somewhere.

In the scale of auto body parts, dies weigh many tons and cranes are needed to do a die change. Clamping a die into position is complicated. There are quick-change systems. They're expensive.[1][2]

What's probably choking Tesla is that they planned their stamping batch sizes for a much higher production rate than they can currently achieve. Much of the planning for the Model 3 production line was based on the assumption that not much would go wrong. They made hard tooling for parts before using prototype soft tooling to save time.[3] That's a win only if you get it right the first time.

(I once worked in an R&D facility for heavy hydraulic equipment. They had to deal with problems like this. People talked about "setup" a lot. A basic fact of manufacturing is that setup and changes are much more difficult than production. Once you get a production machine set up, it's mostly putting in blanks and taking out product, and that's often automatic. Setup requires skilled people. There's been a lot of talk about "agile production" and a "lot size of one", but the real economies still appear only when you make large numbers of something. Look at the pricing for some on-line service that makes custom things for you. There will be a big price break as the quantity goes up.)

[1] http://www.thefabricator.com/article/stamping/10-common-quic... [2] http://www.thefabricator.com/article/stamping/how-quick-die-... [3] https://insideevs.com/tesla-insider-speaks-out-on-problems-o...

Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by dilemma on Monday October 16, 2017 @08:03PM (#15487670)
There are two ways of doing production: large batches, like you describe, and TPS. It is counterintuitive but TPS makes small batch production more efficient and more cost effective than large batches because it looks at the production system as a whole. You may want to read up on it - Check out The Machine That Changed the World.
Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by lostboys67 on Monday October 16, 2017 @10:49AM (#15483546)
that's not how I recall JIT is the parts arrive just as needed on a mature production line continually making tweaks to parts is more akin to small batch production
Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by sbierwagen on Monday October 16, 2017 @12:17PM (#15484333)
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Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by sirkneeland on Monday October 16, 2017 @05:04AM (#15481804)
But don't Japanese companies replicate this setup even when they set up factories the USA?
Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by dingo_bat on Monday October 16, 2017 @08:36AM (#15482733)
They do, and it has been proven successful. I think it is unlikely that Tesla will be able to deliver high-quality cars while maintaining high efficiency if they continue like this.
Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by dangero on Monday October 16, 2017 @08:02AM (#15482583)
The article lists another reason for not storing parts locally. It allows for rapid adjustment requests to the part supplier when Tesla realizes a part needs a slight adjustment to its design.

Very similar concept to agile software development — setup everything for rapid iteration.

Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by dilemma on Monday October 16, 2017 @07:44AM (#15482514)
Work in process is extremely expensive and large batches are more expensive than just in time production. This is the core of TPS and its not disputed.