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Re:New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior by wpietri on Sunday October 15, 2017 @08:57PM (#15480194)
> But I can get Lyft door to door for just $1-2 more than a bus or train.

It'll be interesting to see how these prices change when they are no longer subsidized by venture capitalists, contractor drivers, and society at large.

And even more interesting once we have decent self-driving technology. That removes the constraint -- the driver -- that makes public transit and mass transit nearly synonymous. The Personal Rapid Transit crowd has been pushing toward that for years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_rapid_transit

And if cities do it right, PRT will have a big advantage over Uber, et al: they can reshape cities to accommodate the early stages of self-driving vehicles. Special lanes, limited-access roads, designated stopping points. Functioning PRT could arrive years ahead of autonomous taxis.

Re:New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior by fiatjaf on Sunday October 15, 2017 @09:02PM (#15480208)
> It'll be interesting to see how these prices change when they are no longer subsidized by venture capitalists, contractor drivers, and society at large.

You say that without realizing that public transport has been subsidized by the State and "society at large" for a hundred years.

Re:New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior by beefield on Monday October 16, 2017 @01:19AM (#15481020)
My wild guess without any sources whatsoever is that if you properly calculate all the subsidies and externalities for cars (urban land use, pollution, congestion, fossil fuel industry subsidies possibly including wars in middle east etc), it is quite fair to say that compared to that, public transport is practically unsubsidized.
Re:New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior by fiatjaf on Monday October 16, 2017 @07:10AM (#15482383)
Well, if you're adding these biased unprovable speculative distance consequences to the account, maybe we can also add the entire corruption of the State transport-related agencies, costs related to second, third and forth-level bureaucracy, the corruption of the vote system, election costs, loss of freedom in all the domains of life, brainwashed minds of citizens, wars.
Re:New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior by beefield on Monday October 16, 2017 @11:56PM (#15488569)
what makes you think that there is more corruption in public transport related agencies than car traffic related agencies? Why would vote system and election costs be allocated more to public transport than car drivers? (In economics parlance, externalities are quite well defined concept. Practical applications of course are always a bit more muddy)
Re:New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior by matchbok on Sunday October 15, 2017 @09:48PM (#15480372)
The public benefits to a working transit system are nearly innumerable. The benefits to VC money funding Uber benefits the owners of Uber and exactly nobody else, while we all see more traffic, congestion, pollution, waste, and more.
Re:New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior by fiatjaf on Monday October 16, 2017 @07:07AM (#15482365)
You do you take that for granted?

Anyway, it's irrelevant.

Re:New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior by wpietri on Sunday October 15, 2017 @09:07PM (#15480224)
Or I could realize it. But also think there's a big difference between subsidizing something available to all citizens and subsidizing a private business.
Re:New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior by fiatjaf on Sunday October 15, 2017 @09:08PM (#15480232)
I disagree with your reasoning, and it depends on a lot of factors, but it is still irrelevant for the prices.
Re:New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior by wpietri on Sunday October 15, 2017 @09:16PM (#15480265)
Uber and Lyft prices are artificially low. Assorted hidden, accidental public subsidies are part of that. That is not irrelevant if the various governments paying those subsidies decide that they'd rather subsidize something else. If they do, prices will go up.