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Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by leereeves on Thursday October 12, 2017 @11:06PM (#15463012)
Bitcoin seems like the latest in a long-line of "investments" whose primary appeal is/was past price increases.
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by Beejeepa on Thursday October 12, 2017 @11:27PM (#15463070)
Yeah, nothing new about a permissionless digital-signature-secured decentralized currency being rapidly monetized in an age of global stagnation and quantitative easing / printing money.
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by nwah1 on Friday October 13, 2017 @09:26AM (#15465381)
So you can use this for what? Btw, I don't think you know what quantitative easing is. Explain to me why the value of USD remained strong all throughout the period of supposed money printing.
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by Beejeepa on Friday October 13, 2017 @09:38AM (#15465489)
Because it hasn't fallen yet. It will. The Federal Reserve is insolvent. As the dollar falls from global usage, it can't buy all the real assets necessary to stabilize the dollar using printed money that no one wants.
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by nwah1 on Friday October 13, 2017 @09:59AM (#15465699)
Quantitative easing is not money printing, and the Federal Reserve pays about 100 billion dollars in profit annually to the US Treasury.
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by Beejeepa on Friday October 13, 2017 @09:52AM (#15465641)
What can you use Bitcoin for? What year are you from, 2012?
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by nwah1 on Friday October 13, 2017 @09:58AM (#15465690)
I have never heard a coherent value proposition that justifies thinking of bitcoin as an asset.
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by tryingagainbro on Friday October 13, 2017 @09:07AM (#15465227)
Yeah but kicking myself for not buying in 2010-2011...

at $5k each you're risking a lot so your advice applies. When it's in the penny /dollar range you can gamble a bit, win or lose.

Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by Beejeepa on Friday October 13, 2017 @09:50AM (#15465608)
So bet $20. Bitcoin can be upgraded to N-bits of resolution in the future - a single satoshi could provide all the liquidity needed in a universe-sized economy.
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by oreo81 on Friday October 13, 2017 @02:54PM (#15468332)
You don't have to by whole units. Just by 20 dollars worth or whatever....
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by andrewtbham on Thursday October 12, 2017 @11:50PM (#15463144)
Bitcoin is a bubble, the biggest one since fiat currencies ;-)
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by Beejeepa on Thursday October 12, 2017 @11:33PM (#15463094)
Is the price increasing, or are their fiat currencies worth less? Hyperinflation is real, bank runs are real, and Bitcoin never fails an audit.
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by Analemma_ on Thursday October 12, 2017 @11:47PM (#15463134)
> Hyperinflation is real

For all practical purposes, it really isn't. Hyperinflation is a boogeyman used by deficit hawks and Bitcoin supporters to scare people into supporting their way of thinking without providing real arguments.

Think about it: people talk as though hyperinflation is always just around the corner, waiting to pounce at the slightest misstep. But in the last century, through all the ups and downs of the economic cycle, amounting to thousands of "country-years", how many instances of hyperinflation (other than countries totally destroyed by war) have there been? The answer is: three. Weimar Germany, Zimbabwe, and Yugoslavia. Don't you think it would be more frequent if it was really such a serious threat?

And none of those three examples are even really relevant. Germany's hyperinflation happened when we had a pre-modern grasp of monetary theory, and Zanzibar and Yugoslavia were both ruled by ignorant despots. I'm just gonna come out and say it: in a modern country with even a marginally competent central bank (which we have, whether you want to admit it or not), hyperinflation cannot happen; it is a myth.

> bank runs are real

Have there been any bank runs in the developed world in the last half-century where people actually lost their deposits? Again, a government with even the minimum amount of competence to institute deposit insurance makes it not an issue.

> Bitcoin never fails an audit

Only for a uselessly narrow definition of "Bitcoin". The protocol itself, sure, but for almost every company that actually does business in Bitcoin, it's a different story. Every Bitcoin exchange either has gone bust or will, most Bitcoin mining companies are scams that only ship once the difficulty has increased to the point where the hardware is no longer useful, etc.

Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by Beejeepa on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:15AM (#15463237)
The US Dollar lost half its value in my short lifetime. Most other currencies have done worse. At a time when the US Dollar is falling in significance as a global reserve currency, and a central bank holding ~$4.5 trillion in assets, you have no doubts?

I understand SHA-256 and ECC; they are easy to trust and more trustworthy than authority. Bitcoin is the most simple thing that could possibly work; and it meets "worse is better" criteria.

What backs FDIC insurance? A haircut, or printed money?

Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by Analemma_ on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:25AM (#15463277)
> The US Dollar lost half its value in my short lifetime. Most other currencies have done worse.

You are describing ordinary inflation, and using the word "hyperinflation" to make it sound scarier than it is. That is FUD. And "lost half its value" completely ignores the fact that nominal wages have increased at the same time. Please don't use this first-grade nonsense on Hacker News, you're talking to intelligent people here.

> At a time when the US Dollar is falling in significance as a global reserve currency, and a central bank holding ~$4.5 trillion in assets, you have no doubts?

The US dollar is falling in significance as a global reserve currency, being replaced by... the fiat currencies of other nations. How does this prove the ascendancy of Bitcoin?

> I understand SHA-256 and ECC; they are easy to trust and more trustworthy than authority.

You did not read my previous post. Bitcoin itself it perfectly fine, but it is too low-level to use for most practical transactions, you need to build layers of abstraction (futures, exchanges, wallets) on top of it. These are mostly run by companies that are either extremely shady, have terrible security, or both.

> What backs FDIC insurance? A haircut, or printed money?

A large insurance fund paid for by bank taxes, as even a few minutes of research would tell you.

There are good arguments in favor of Bitcoin, but I want you to understand that when its defenders routinely trot out the same easily-disproven cookie-cutter arguments repeated on autopilot, it becomes very easy for people not to take you seriously.

Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by Beejeepa on Friday October 13, 2017 @09:46AM (#15465566)
There is no such thing as a free lunch. FDIC insurance can and will fail in the largest bank run ever.

Banking is a Prisoner's Dilemma, because the first ones to escape get their cash, the middle ones deal with insurance, and the last ones lose everything.

Use always-audited Bitcoin. Readers here have an advantage of being able to understand the underlying technology.

Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by oreo81 on Friday October 13, 2017 @02:58PM (#15468356)
>for all practical purposes, it really isn't.

Venezuela would like to have a word.

Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by colordrops on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:08AM (#15463213)
What about megainflation? Or superinflation? I know the cost of medical, housing, and education has gone up an order of magnitude where I live in Los Angeles in the last 20 years.
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by AlexMax on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:25AM (#15463272)
The timescales involved are much larger, giving you ample time to spend or invest the money you have. It's only a problem if you stuff money under your mattress.
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by colordrops on Friday October 13, 2017 @01:14AM (#15463425)
I'm not convinced. I don't think it's reasonable to expect every single person to be an investor in anything other than sensible necessities, such as education and property, in order to live a comfortable life. Quantitative easing as a mechanism for stimulating growth is nothing but theft from the non-investor class. I haven't "stuffed money under my mattress" and I'm struggling to not go into debt living in L.A. as an engineer of 20 years even though my salary is in the top 10% percentile for my experience and title. That's absurd. The house I'm renting doubled in value in the last 4 years. My income is going up slower than housing prices, so I've missed the boat, and will not be able to buy a house unless I move. Inflation has had a real and significant impact on my life.
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by AlexMax on Friday October 13, 2017 @09:31PM (#15470206)
I don't think wage stagnation has much to do with inflation. If the USD stayed steady or was deflationary, I imagine that nothing about your purchasing power would fundamentally change, the numbers would just look a little different.
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by Beejeepa on Friday October 13, 2017 @09:43AM (#15465541)
This is correct.
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by colordrops on Thursday October 12, 2017 @11:44PM (#15463128)
I really don't understand all the hatred for Bitcoin. Perhaps it's envy from those who wish they got in earlier.
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by freeloop3 on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:31AM (#15463292)
Economists are full of hated and vitriol. I don't know why, but it seems that all economic discussions are quite hostile.
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by Beejeepa on Friday October 13, 2017 @09:48AM (#15465588)
It's Machiavellian astroturfing by banks, nations, economists and sociologists. Fight back and get your skin in the game.
Re:Global Demand for Bitcoin Shifts Wildly in Response to Re... by desireco42 on Thursday October 12, 2017 @11:36PM (#15463101)
Beautifully said.