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Re:Google is nerfing all Home Minis because mine spied on ev... by mhb on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @08:58AM (#15449362)
Before I describe exactly what happened and how I discovered this pretty incredible violation of privacy, I'd like to point out that it ended up being a hardware defect in my Home Mini as well as an unspecified small number of others. Google never intended for it to happen and has reacted incredibly swiftly to rectify the situation.
Re:Google is nerfing all Home Minis because mine spied on ev... by ilamont on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @11:01AM (#15450316)
it ended up being a hardware defect in my Home Mini

According to Google.

as well as an unspecified small number of others.

Nothing to worry about, I'm sure. Probably no way to exploit those issues. Probably.

Google never intended for it to happen

Obviously, it's a rookie mistake that anyone could make. And that's why I'm willing to forgive and forget when it comes to multibillion dollar global businesses that make billions more off of the private information they gather and store. Just like I did after Equifax goofed earlier this year. And Yahoo the year before that. And …

Look, I get it that the Google PR people have been super nice and accommodating and embarrassed about the whole thing. Maybe the writer is friends with people on the team, or there might be a job at Google down the road. And, of course, some writers don't want to lose access to free trials and potential interviews.

But I really would like to see specialized news outlets show more backbone when it comes to screw-ups, and not downplay or gloss over serious privacy issues such as this, or take Google's word about what happened. It's a fair question to ask whether the problem(s) may still be present in every other Google device … and if they are potentially exploitable.

Re:Google is nerfing all Home Minis because mine spied on ev... by jerf on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @11:22AM (#15450480)
If you're going to be cynical, be properly cynical, not just half cynical. Nobody has any use for a spying hardware appliance that tells the user all about how it's listening to every word you say and logs it in a clearly visible location. Obviously this was not intentional on any level.
Re:Google is nerfing all Home Minis because mine spied on ev... by russdpale on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @03:43PM (#15452768)
Prove it with the code or what you are saying is 100% useless.
Re:Google is nerfing all Home Minis because mine spied on ev... by krisives on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @11:23AM (#15450490)
That ship has sailed regular news has been shown it can’t be trusted for the reasons you point out.

Now we have “news” services like HaveIBeenPwned.com

Re:Google is nerfing all Home Minis because mine spied on ev... by cl289 on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @11:34AM (#15450573)
It's not appropriate to say that "Google never intended for it to happen" without proof that that is the case, something which is almost impossible from outside Google. Yahoo and Equifax didn't intend for their breaches to happen either, but at least they do not benefit from them. Companies like Google and Facebook, which are in the advertising/datamining business, have an incentive for "accidental" slippages like road-mapping cars collecting wifi data, "we didn't know" sharing of virtually all user data sent over the internet without encryption with the NSA, over-complicated "privacy" settings, services for which user data "will be kept separate" morphing into "we now share user data across services...," and on and on.

These are the most powerful non-governmental agencies in the world (and more powerful than almost all governments). Developers have to stop giving in particular Google a free pass on virtually everything. We need to stop setting Google DNS servers to be the default in software or in example code. We need to stop pretending that turning separate URL and search boxes into a single omnibox is a great convenience or efficiency of space and recognize that it's just more comprehensive collection of user data. We need to stop turning that ever-smaller remaining free space on the internet, the Web, into another massive spiderweb of signals sent to Google and Facebook, with as many as ten or twenty requests sent to Google from a typical webpage, many of which no longer function when these requests are blocked, because the functionality of the site, and not just the advertising, now comes from Google servers.

Acquiescence to this status quo is easy and probably good for one's career, but it's also dangerous for democracy, dangerous for innovation, dangerous for independence of thought...

Re:Google is nerfing all Home Minis because mine spied on ev... by Arzh on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @12:10PM (#15450830)
I think you are having a bit of a panic attack
Re:Google is nerfing all Home Minis because mine spied on ev... by throw2016 on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @11:11PM (#15455396)
Before people made fun of all the tinfoil theorists.

Now all the folks who can be frivolous and blase inspite of the growing mountain of evidence must be similarly dismissed.

Re:Google is nerfing all Home Minis because mine spied on ev... by Arzh on Thursday October 12, 2017 @10:36AM (#15458251)
Whatever you say bud, I think most people on this forum are stuck in an echo chamber which of course makes everything seem more important then it really is.
Re:Google is nerfing all Home Minis because mine spied on ev... by deno on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @03:21PM (#15452574)
You are not worried?
Re:Google is nerfing all Home Minis because mine spied on ev... by Arzh on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @05:14PM (#15453544)
No, I must have no independence of free thought
Re:Google is nerfing all Home Minis because mine spied on ev... by lisper on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @10:47AM (#15450189)
Sure, but it's possible that the thing that Google never intended to happen was for the device to fail in such a blatantly obvious way. It does not rule out the possibility that Google intended for the device to (also) be able listen in a less blatantly obvious way.

This story from today's Washington Post is relevant:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15449826

Re:Google is nerfing all Home Minis because mine spied on ev... by andreime on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @10:56AM (#15450267)
Is this really an argument? I could just say there's no proof that google intended for the device to act as NSA proxy, and you could say there's no proof that ....
Re:Google is nerfing all Home Minis because mine spied on ev... by lisper on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @11:27AM (#15450518)
> there's no proof that google intended for the device to act as NSA proxy

Of course there isn't. This is the problem with surveillance: inherent in its nature is the fact that if it is done competently, its existence is indistinguishable from its absence.

Note that I'm not saying that Google is acting in bad faith. What I'm saying is that the following is fallacious reasoning:

1. This incident turned out not to be a case of bad-faith surveillance.

2. Therefore, Google never engages in bad-faith surveillance.

This is called the "hasty generalization" fallacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization