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Re:What Sephora Knows About Women in Tech by KirinDave on Monday October 09, 2017 @03:31PM (#15436730)
> I'm trying to imagine what would happen if a company decided to do the opposite of this. Hires men on what they might one day do, while hiring women only on what they do right now.

Uh, it'd be what you see today. When they refer to "Qualifications" here they are referring to either university degrees or experience in top tier tech firms. And it'd be like the process that VCs engage in to hand out money to untested entrepreneurs. You'll get some Job's and you'll get some Duplants (or non-personally, you'll get some Apples and you'll get some Clinkles).

LOTS of people around you got into the industry without this background. It was in fact the norm. I mean ffs, man, Thiel was literally paying men he thought had potential to not finish college and work as EIRs for his private investments.

This practice is so common for men it's difficult to point to even one organization that doesn't have a man with at least one point on their CV where "they had an opportunity."

What's more, the entire landscape is changing faster than recruiters and folks setting "levels" for software engineers can keep up. Startups like Corusera and Udacity are literally making up new "credentials" out of thin air in an effort to bridge this, but the reality is that competitive edge of the junior position hiring market is a lot more about testing capability and potential more than any CV list.

And were the specter of "men not getting what they think they deserve" were not raised, HN would en masse be applauding Sephora for trying to build a sustainable technical organization that values training and internal employee development over 2-year re-employment cycles that give no one any incentive to learn.

Re:What Sephora Knows About Women in Tech by golergka on Monday October 09, 2017 @03:34PM (#15436759)
I wasn't aware Thiel sponsored only men, or that other practices you mentioned applied only to men. Can you please back this claim up?
Re:What Sephora Knows About Women in Tech by KirinDave on Monday October 09, 2017 @03:44PM (#15436829)
He didn't sponsor only men, and I didn't say that. I'm saying: men as the majority group in tech have been the majority benefactors of "taking a chance on someone."

The idea that this is a unique stance to take for women (or indeed, a new concept) is absurd and incendiary on its face.

Re:What Sephora Knows About Women in Tech by dhimes on Monday October 09, 2017 @04:25PM (#15437176)
There are more yellow fish in my tank than there are red. So when I add food to the tank, yellow fish benefit disproportionately. Therefore, I should feed the red fish separately. Got it.
Re:What Sephora Knows About Women in Tech by KirinDave on Monday October 09, 2017 @04:40PM (#15437282)
If the yellow fish complained that red fish were getting a free meal at feeding time, you'd have an analogous example.

Simple fact: There are more men in the industry that have experienced this practice than women. It's precisely because there are more men that it's absurd to say this practice is unique and favoring women.