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Re:Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile by jk2323 on Monday October 09, 2017 @09:53AM (#15433770)
It is my understanding that MS has given up on ARM. Sooner or later there will be x86 based phones, which partly solves the "app" problem. They just run a regular windows on the phone.
Re:Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile by pjc50 on Monday October 09, 2017 @10:52AM (#15434257)
I've got one in my pocket right now: Asus Zenfone 2. It just runs regular Android. Even has an "Intel Inside" logo on the back.

Windows has never had great dynamic scaling, so trying to run regular apps on a phone would be a nightmare of tiny click targets. Metro apps would scale better, but that was the whole point of UWP.

IMO they've given up slightly too early. They could have written an Android-on-Windows compatibility layer, or various other things, but Microsoft just can't handle a market where they aren't dominant. The only way they could leverage their dominance would be to break Exchange ActiveSync and say "if you want your calendar on your phone, it has to be a Windows phone".

And Intel have pulled back from the low-power area (mobiles, Edison) because they're not competitive there. Maybe the same "can't function when not market leader" problem.

Re:Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile by nathanasmith on Monday October 09, 2017 @12:17PM (#15435145)
> They could have written an Android-on-Windows compatibility layer

MS had Android emulation[0] in the works for Windows Mobile 10 but then decided to cancel it citing it was "unnecessary".

[0]https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-officially-cancels-...

Re:Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile by slinkyavenger on Monday October 09, 2017 @12:50PM (#15435433)
> Android-on-Windows compatibility layer

This was one of the big mistakes made by OS/2 when they were competing against Windows. They created a compatibility layer for Windows applications, which meant that developers never wrote native apps for their platform, leading to a very poor user experience and gave Windows a leg-up on its competition. I doubt Microsoft wants to make the same mistake.

Re:Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile by brohee on Monday October 09, 2017 @09:54AM (#15433786)
That doesn't make much sense, apps made for mouse and keyboard on a large screen won't magically become usable on a small touchscreen...
Re:Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile by macintux on Monday October 09, 2017 @11:08AM (#15434414)
That's always been a weakness with Microsoft's strategy. First with a stylus for Windows Mobile, later with the ribbon in Office.
Re:Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile by criddell on Monday October 09, 2017 @10:02AM (#15433835)
> Sooner or later there will be x86 based phones

Sure, but right now Apple and their ARM designs are running away from everybody else. Plus Windows is terrible from a security and power consumption point of view. Can Microsoft fix that without breaking everything?

I think MS is conceding the entire phone space. Full screen form factors (like laptops is and large tablets) are very important but for small devices I don't think they can compete.

Re:Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile by Const-me on Monday October 09, 2017 @11:34AM (#15434700)
> Windows is terrible from a security and power consumption point of view

Windows is way ahead in both security and power efficiency.

About security, here’s an example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10410833 In Windows, clipboard access was restricted to foreground app since WP7.

About power efficiency, WP is very restrictive on what apps can do in background. See this: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh2029...

Re:Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile by criddell on Monday October 09, 2017 @12:12PM (#15435097)
I'm talking about x86 Windows. Windows Phone is dead.

The fact that a viable mobile OS has to be restrictive about background operations is exactly what I was talking about when I said they can't fix it without breaking everything.

Re:Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile by NiveaGeForce on Monday October 09, 2017 @12:27PM (#15435235)
Re:Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile by collinmanderson on Monday October 09, 2017 @04:14PM (#15437086)
Exactly. Microsoft is abandoning phone, but I imagine they'll still exist in the business-tablet area.
Re:Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile by zyme on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @04:49AM (#15448239)
They Brought back WinRT, or rather this month's new Desktop RTM build has an ARM64 version. It'll probably run low-power low-cost tablet/phablets, maybe even be put on a phone if 10 starts seeing more metro apps at some date.

I mean that capability is where the desktop version of windows keeps getting more features matching; each version of Phone and Desktop have been more and more like each-other.

Re:Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile by NiveaGeForce on Monday October 09, 2017 @11:56AM (#15434931)
> Plus Windows is terrible from a security and power consumption point of view. Can Microsoft fix that without breaking everything?

Nonsense

https://np.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/74xc2z/windows_an...

https://np.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/6ifyxq/spotify_for_...

Re:Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile by charlesdm on Monday October 09, 2017 @09:55AM (#15433791)
That UX will just be amazing