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Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by tyingq on Saturday October 07, 2017 @09:58AM (#15423783)
The Ford F150 truck is now aluminum. Somewhat notable since it's their best selling vehicle...not just best selling truck. There's still a fair amount of debate on whether it was a good idea to move to aluminum.
Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by jacquesm on Saturday October 07, 2017 @10:44AM (#15423951)
They were crap in steel, I would be very surprised if they are any better in aluminum. I had one of these while I lived in Canada (longbox, 3 seater cab) and before the warranty ran out the support strut of the gearbox and the associated welds gave out. Ford refused to fix it because the vehicle was not rated 'heavy duty'. The heaviest we ever hauled in it was a load of firewood.

Welding aluminum properly is a lot harder than welding steel and aluminum is also a lot less forgiving than steel when it comes to constructing cars out of it.

I never bought a Ford after that wonderful, and I'm still amazed that they would not stand behind their product, good luck to anybody that buys an F150 made of aluminum.

Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by d-sc on Saturday October 07, 2017 @01:17PM (#15424642)
As long as we’re getting into anecdotal evidence. I’ve driven an F150 as a personal vehicle and ran it pretty heavily(80 MPH over steep passes, firewood hauling, heavy trailers, off-road on farm, etc) and haven’t had any problems. I’ve also used ford’s heavy duty trucks in construction and haven’t had problems.

It’s important to remember that Ford is a large company and with enough vechicles you are bound to have cases where they don’t meet standards. Without a statistically significant dataset it’s hard to make a judgement whether one manufacturer is more reliable than another.

Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by jacquesm on Sunday October 08, 2017 @05:18AM (#15427538)
I don't mind them having a production issue every now and then. I do expect them to correct those issues free of charge.
Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by dsfyu404ed on Saturday October 07, 2017 @04:40PM (#15425575)
x2. My anecdotal evidence is that 0% of the vehicle I have beat the living shit out of have been trouble prone in any way.
Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by unclepresent on Saturday October 07, 2017 @11:13AM (#15424064)
weight is probably a driving factor. When you save 100-150 pounds of weight by using some aluminium parts you can use this weight elsewhere. Not sure I am right. Just thinking.
Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by tyingq on Saturday October 07, 2017 @11:23AM (#15424098)
Ford cut 700lbs off the F150 by going to aluminum. Not to use it elsewhere, but to improve fuel economy.
Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by digi_owl on Saturday October 07, 2017 @05:19PM (#15425767)
And they even had to add weights in strategic locations to give the impression it still had a steel frame...
Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by bluedino on Saturday October 07, 2017 @11:04AM (#15424024)
The F150 has been aluminum for three years, and the body of the F250 is now also made of aluminum.
Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by Animats on Saturday October 07, 2017 @05:29PM (#15425808)
The classic F250 was very solidly built. I have a 1985 Ford Bronco, which is an F250 chassis with a different body and was built to comply with the 5MPH bumper standard in effect for a few years. It was once rear-ended while stopped by a SamTrans passenger van. The SamTrans van front end crumpled properly, leaving its nose on the pavement. The Bronco had a bent trailer connector and a broken license plate lamp housing.

12MPG, though.

Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by megaman22 on Saturday October 07, 2017 @10:23AM (#15423871)
The new ones crumple like a coke can if you touch them against anything. I'm not a fan, as expensive as bodywork is these days, and with how much more irritating aluminum is to work with for your average shade-tree mechanic.
Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by tyingq on Saturday October 07, 2017 @10:28AM (#15423887)
It did cut about 700lbs off the vehicle, which (in part) took them from 17/23 mpg in 2014 to 19/26 mpg today.

I can see the dilemma they have trying to keep up with CAFE standards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Average_Fuel_Economy...

Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by toomanybeersies on Saturday October 07, 2017 @10:56AM (#15423992)
I couple of years ago, I crashed an old Datsun/Nissan truck into a dirt bank going about 30-40 km/h (20-30 mph). It had some damage, but nothing that couldn't be straightened out with a crowbar, and it did need a new radiator.

Try that with a modern car, and it would've been totaled, or at least cost a small fortune to get fixed. Upon saying that, if I crashed the truck going 100 km/g (60 mph), I would have probably died. So even though more modern cars don't stand up to low speed crashes so well, they reduce fatalities a lot.

Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by flachsechs on Saturday October 07, 2017 @11:11AM (#15424053)
nearly everything people find 'wrong' with modern cars is done for passenger and pedestrian safety.

even the phone integration and annoyingly bad electronic gadgets and infotainment software are designed to get you to put down your phone when driving, or be more aware of your surroundings.

remember, the alternative is nearly everyone staring at their phones while driving, and the obvious fallout from that (people still do it, of course, hence the physical safety features).

this is the reality that car designers must deal with and a point that is totally lost on the majority of people who complain about 'new cars'. if they could sell you a 1200 pound tin can death-trap with insufficient power and torque, they would, and we'd buy it, because it gets 120mpg and costs $5000.

Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by Retric on Saturday October 07, 2017 @12:52PM (#15424513)
Actual bumpers are not a safety issue. Car companies simply make more money by selling body panels at high markup after every minor accident.
Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by flachsechs on Saturday October 07, 2017 @01:10PM (#15424608)
for you to say something like "bumpers aren't a safety issue" pretty much discredits you immediately, but i'll answer anyway, for posterity.

"actual bumpers" are quite likely the single most extensively regulated pedestrian- and collision-related safety part. there's extensive legislation about their design and characteristics.

car companies exist to make money, yes, but they operate within a global framework of strict regulation.

Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by tyingq on Saturday October 07, 2017 @03:37PM (#15425310)
Probably referring to the disappearance of external bumpers that could be cheaply replaced after an accident, or even a reasonable diy project.

The bumpers today are underneath body panels, so a even a light accident isn't cheap or easy to fix.

My guess is they don't exist anymore for several reasons. Style, aerodynamics, etc.

Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by Retric on Saturday October 07, 2017 @02:09PM (#15424887)
Feel free to look for an actual regulation that prevents ridged bumpers with shock absorbers. You will not find it and in fact many vehicles are sold that can have a 5MPH collision without significant harm.

The reasons for this is people can walk into solid objects at 5MPH without significant harm.

PS: Feel free to start with: 49 CFR Part 58

Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by userbinator on Saturday October 07, 2017 @03:06PM (#15425163)
and in fact many vehicles are sold that can have a 5MPH collision without significant harm.

...or at least used to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumper_(car)#Stringency_reduce...

Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by flachsechs on Saturday October 07, 2017 @03:03PM (#15425140)
i have no idea what you're trying to say, because you keep making typos in critical words.
Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by dsfyu404ed on Saturday October 07, 2017 @04:48PM (#15425618)
You know what they say about metrics and targets.

The OEMs make you sit deep in every car because that's how you get a 5-star rating. Then a bunch of people back over pedestrians and kids because in the real world more people will be put in a situation like that than will be in a high speed side impact.

Now the .gov mandates back up cameras...

Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by mikeash on Saturday October 07, 2017 @05:53PM (#15425894)
Implying nobody was backing over kids in older cars?

What you describe sounds like a reasonable iterative process of identifying what’s likely to kill people and making it safer.

Re:Driving the “Worst Car Ever Built” (2015) by dsfyu404ed on Sunday October 08, 2017 @12:52PM (#15428919)
It was far less common when your typical vehicle had a smaller rear blind spot than a T-72

There's a direct trade-off between safety and visibility.