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Re:OpenBSD 6.2 by bch on Friday October 06, 2017 @10:20AM (#15416969)
> Do you really think the tools you use like your web browser, mail client etc, have less vulnerabilities on OpenBSD...

A reasonable question, but presumptuously and poorly framed, I think. Mitigation efforts like privilege separation[0] (for daemons), ASLR[1], SSP[2], and now KARL[3] are designed to make things systemically better. I'm personally a NetBSD person, and don't see that ending anytime soon, but I do appreciate the work that OpenBSD does and pay attention with interest. I expect some of their work to be ported to my environment directly, and other effects to be felt tangentially. People running different or "weird" environments is a good thing.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privilege_separation

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomiza...

[2] http://wiki.osdev.org/Stack_Smashing_Protector

[3] http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20170613041706

Re:OpenBSD 6.2 by saghm on Friday October 06, 2017 @10:31AM (#15417041)
OT, but I've had trouble in the past when trying out NetBSD; I wanted to install it on my laptop with full disk encryption, but I clearly was missing something about how to do it properly, and I've never been able to find a good guide for it. Any chance you might know a blog post or something that details how to do this properly for a NetBSD newbie like me?
Re:OpenBSD 6.2 by bch on Friday October 06, 2017 @10:50AM (#15417196)
I've run it in the past, but not recently. I'll see if something appears to me and try to post it here for you.

And good luck with your NetBSD journey, with or without FDE. I've thoroughly enjoyed my years with it as my primary OS.

Re:OpenBSD 6.2 by bch on Friday October 06, 2017 @12:51PM (#15418253)
I'd start here - https://www.netbsd.org/docs/guide/en/chap-cgd.html and point your IRC client to #netbsd on irc.freenode.net.
Re:OpenBSD 6.2 by saghm on Saturday October 07, 2017 @02:13PM (#15424906)
Thanks! I've tried out most of the other common BSDs (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, DragonflyBSD, and TrueOS) but I've always had more trouble with NetBSD for some reason. Hopefully I'll have better luck with it this time!
Re:OpenBSD 6.2 by eugeneionesco on Friday October 06, 2017 @11:42AM (#15417651)
All of those were developed on linux and linux distributions and were available on those before obsd...
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Re:OpenBSD 6.2 by eugeneionesco on Friday October 06, 2017 @12:59PM (#15418323)
Of course it does, seccomp, developed way before pledge :))
Re:OpenBSD 6.2 by sydney6 on Friday October 06, 2017 @03:50PM (#15419841)
And where is seccomp used (by default)?
Re:OpenBSD 6.2 by ac29 on Friday October 06, 2017 @06:10PM (#15420838)
Chrome and Firefox both use seccomp by default on Linux.
Re:OpenBSD 6.2 by sydney6 on Saturday October 07, 2017 @06:01PM (#15425931)
OpenBSD has around 500 programs with pledge support in base.

edit: and this number does not even include the ports available with pledge support, among others chromium.. and the fact that they were capable of adding pledge support this quickly says a lot, imho, about the implementation differences between libseccomp and pledge.

Re:OpenBSD 6.2 by anthk on Friday October 06, 2017 @07:32PM (#15421235)
Also, pledge is everywhere. Seppconf, not. And SeLinux just in few distros.

Pledge is instrinsic. You have it right from the beggining with C and Perl. And it's straightforward to use.

Re:OpenBSD 6.2 by anthk on Friday October 06, 2017 @07:27PM (#15421210)
Not the same approach.