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Re:iOS 11's Misleading "Off-Ish" Setting for Radios Is Bad f... by clouddrover on Thursday October 05, 2017 @10:48PM (#15414097)
I don't accept that. I think it's a common sense approach. I don't want my phone connecting to things without my involvement.

If the icons were consistent and there was a setting to toggle the behaviour of Control Centre then it would be a non-issue. I could set it up the way I want and it would work as it used to in iOS 10. But the icons are inconsistent and, as far as I know, there's no such setting.

Re:iOS 11's Misleading "Off-Ish" Setting for Radios Is Bad f... by neotek on Thursday October 05, 2017 @11:46PM (#15414286)
You don't accept it on what possible grounds? Do you really think the majority of iOS users, or even a sizeable minority, use their phones in the way you do?
Re:iOS 11's Misleading "Off-Ish" Setting for Radios Is Bad f... by clouddrover on Friday October 06, 2017 @12:02AM (#15414334)
That it's ridiculous. Reread what I have written. I made no comment on what the majority of iOS users do. I'm talking about what I do.
Re:iOS 11's Misleading "Off-Ish" Setting for Radios Is Bad f... by neotek on Friday October 06, 2017 @12:16AM (#15414382)
I'm sorry but you absolutely did. You were asked whether you "accept that [turning off mobile data, wifi, and bluetooth and only re-enabling them when you explicitly need them] is a ridiculously small minority use case", to which you replied "I don't accept that", and then followed on with a non sequitur about it being a "common sense approach."
Re:iOS 11's Misleading "Off-Ish" Setting for Radios Is Bad f... by musage on Friday October 06, 2017 @12:55AM (#15414523)
"shit has to taste good, millions of flies eat it every day"

"I don't accept that."

Addressing the strongest possible reading and all that.

> a non sequitur about it being a "common sense approach."

Just read "common sense approach" as "that makes sense to me" and it fits perfectly. As for common sense, ask random people on the street what they think turning something "off" means. Do you think you'll find even ONE person who says "oh, that probably means it'll stay off until I change location, or until 5 AM, whatever comes sooner?". That's the elephant on the couch.

The use case of what you or most would find convenient, and would prefer to have available with one touch instead of more, is completely orthogonal to what all of this is about -- the common sense of what any normal person who isn't bent on defending Apple just because would respond with 1000 times out of 1000: of how to read UI in this case. Consider it a use case for the UI, and to even suggest just one person actually has the use case you declare to be such a majority they must be catered to without any further investigation (e.g. if the majority is wrong, that should strengthen, not weaken your resolve) truly is ridiculous.