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Re:HM Prison – A Survival Guide (2015) by _jal on Thursday October 05, 2017 @12:58PM (#15410680)
Oof. That is one view. There are others, that tend to note that society exists without state institutions - in fact, society is a necessary precondition to a state.

Some of these other views don't credit 'society' as something with a will or a reason, simply as an emergent property. That's not to say 'society' doesn't cause things to happen, but it does imply disagreement with the parent comment.

I absolutely agree that states are primarily instruments of suppression and coercion. I just think that equating state and society is not only incorrect, but also heads down a potentially dangerous path. Societies emerge from being social animals in proximity, states emerge from negotiations, coercion, or some combination thereof.

Re:HM Prison – A Survival Guide (2015) by RobertoG on Thursday October 05, 2017 @01:35PM (#15410929)
Are you sure that states don't emerge automatically too?

We are hierarchical creatures, even in a small group of friends hierarchy appears on its own. If you have a hierarchy the rest is just organizational details.

Re:HM Prison – A Survival Guide (2015) by _jal on Friday October 06, 2017 @11:30AM (#15417556)
I never claimed they don't. My commentary was primarily about the importance of distinguishing the two.