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Re:HM Prison – A Survival Guide (2015) by Koshkin on Thursday October 05, 2017 @10:19AM (#15409360)
> a failure of society to accommodate the wide variety of human natures

The raison d'être of the society (and the state) is not to "accommodate" anything, especially not some particular aspects of human nature, but rather to suppress them, limit the "natural" freedoms -- in order to create a semblance of order and harmony among humans, which, in particular, makes it easier to control (and protect) them.

Re:HM Prison – A Survival Guide (2015) by _jal on Thursday October 05, 2017 @12:58PM (#15410680)
Oof. That is one view. There are others, that tend to note that society exists without state institutions - in fact, society is a necessary precondition to a state.

Some of these other views don't credit 'society' as something with a will or a reason, simply as an emergent property. That's not to say 'society' doesn't cause things to happen, but it does imply disagreement with the parent comment.

I absolutely agree that states are primarily instruments of suppression and coercion. I just think that equating state and society is not only incorrect, but also heads down a potentially dangerous path. Societies emerge from being social animals in proximity, states emerge from negotiations, coercion, or some combination thereof.

Re:HM Prison – A Survival Guide (2015) by RobertoG on Thursday October 05, 2017 @01:35PM (#15410929)
Are you sure that states don't emerge automatically too?

We are hierarchical creatures, even in a small group of friends hierarchy appears on its own. If you have a hierarchy the rest is just organizational details.

Re:HM Prison – A Survival Guide (2015) by _jal on Friday October 06, 2017 @11:30AM (#15417556)
I never claimed they don't. My commentary was primarily about the importance of distinguishing the two.