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Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by ideonexus on Thursday October 05, 2017 @09:58AM (#15409163)
Took a look at the "trending" articles on this network. Most of them are about cryptocurrencies, followed by phishing-scam warnings, and finally a smattering of other content. This seems like a network built around the hype of cryptocurrencies that is hyping itself into value.

I'm experiencing a lot of anxiety lately that I'm missing the cryptocurrency boat, but at the same time the more I research the possibilities I'm finding far less opportunity to invest and much more opportunity to get taken.

Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by hellofunk on Thursday October 05, 2017 @11:04AM (#15409725)
> I'm experiencing a lot of anxiety lately that I'm missing the cryptocurrency boat

Don't let that be a source of anxiety for you, there is no point to that. There are plenty of other things to worry about in life than finding the perfect investments. And crypotcurrency remains a risky bet regardless of any recent activity in that market. I know plenty of very smart people who are very knowledgable about bitcoin but who refuse to buy into it. There's nothing wrong with that.

Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by mfoy_ on Thursday October 05, 2017 @11:30AM (#15409963)
Seconded. FOMO is silly. Thousands of opportunities are passing everyone by every day, it's just part of life. Very few people tread the golden path, so to speak. So just live your life and try to have some fun long the way. :)
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by ideonexus on Thursday October 05, 2017 @01:22PM (#15410837)
I really appreciate both of these comments. Thank you both.
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by aaron-lebo on Thursday October 05, 2017 @10:25AM (#15409407)
There's no substance. It's multilevel marketing. This is the top post:

https://steemit.com/steem/@ned/explainer-value-flows-on-stee...

It's a great way to build a large audience of money hungry people, probably not a great way to build a community with any kind of value. Nice hair.

Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by darawk on Thursday October 05, 2017 @11:26AM (#15409933)
I think that's a bit unfair. The idea that a niche social community would be primarily interested in the things that are unique about their own social community is not exactly a condemnation. Conceptually, a social network that pays people for generating highly-upvoted content is an interesting one, I think. It may turn out to be a disaster, but there's something there IMO. What it'll take to really find out is some degree of mainstream usage. Right now it's all crypto nerds using it and trying to P&D cryptos, but it isn't fair to take that as evidence that the idea is flawed. That's just the nature of the community at the moment.
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by aaron-lebo on Thursday October 05, 2017 @11:33AM (#15409992)
They're interested in their network getting big so they can make money. There's not much nuance to it. You can spin it another way but read the thread. It's a soulless money grab, and it's disappointing because they actually have decent software.

Once you've built a core community that is first and foremost interested in ICOs and cryptocurrencies, how do you get out of that?

Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by cryptoctopus on Friday October 06, 2017 @02:40PM (#15419243)
Anybody who has STEEM benefits from increasing the network effect, not just him silly. Bitcoin and Ethereum has the exact same incentive to do so.

The idea is to create thousands of micro community who have their own ideas of where their communities wants to go. They can use their own tokens with their own economics if they happen to not agree with: 1. The inflation rate 2. The curation reward curve 3. The initial distribution

Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by RangerScience on Thursday October 05, 2017 @03:24PM (#15411883)
Clone, rebrand and remarket it, using the battle-tested tech of the first community?
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by unclebucknasty on Friday October 06, 2017 @10:26AM (#15417007)
I have a friend over there who's participated since its inception.

A lot of what you see over there now are schemes that essentially involve paying people to upvote content. At first, I was surprised they allowed people to bribe others to vote. But, when you think about it, that's exactly what the site itself is doing (bribing people to participate).

And, bribing people to upvote is not exactly the best way to encourage good organic content. I tell my friend the model is unsustainable in its current form, as it destroys the value it's trying to create. Worse, that value is what it's trying to redeem to entice more people to participate. So, it'll inevitably run out of gas (they apparently jump-started things by subsidizing initial posts, which sparked early excitement, but payouts sharply declined thereafter).

Some might argue that it democratizes content production, but the value creation effect is not the same as paying a smaller set of producers for valuable content that a larger set would consume.

So, instead, it's more like a perfect case study in tragedy of the commons.

Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by cryptoctopus on Friday October 06, 2017 @02:35PM (#15419189)
you are being ridiculous. He's explaining how the value flow by introducing the ability for people to create their own social media tokens.
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by mankash666 on Thursday October 05, 2017 @12:18PM (#15410353)
Joke's on you mate, their market cap is $250M. And yours?
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by charlesism on Thursday October 05, 2017 @01:53PM (#15411071)
With multilevel marketing, the joke generally is on you.
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by cryptoctopus on Friday October 06, 2017 @02:50PM (#15419327)
Check the dictionary...there is no multilevel marketing happening there. They don't even have 1 level since there isn't even a referral program. It's a social network, of course he will talk about the network effect.
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by Kiro on Thursday October 05, 2017 @04:55PM (#15412510)
What's the MLM component exactly?
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by ojosilva on Thursday October 05, 2017 @08:12PM (#15413541)
A network where participants are only interested in profiting from its networking effects.

The Steemit frontpage has many self-referencing articles and self-serving, monochromatic content.

Similar to Herbalife which is mostly made up of entrepreneurs selling entrepreneurship to the unsuspecting. There is no product-market fit. When there's money being made and no market fit, suspect MLM.

Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by andrarchy on Friday October 06, 2017 @11:57AM (#15417806)
First off, thanks for checking us out! My first question is: what do you have to lose? Unlike every other crypo-related project out there, steemit.com (and any other site built on the Steem blockchain like Busy.org, Dtube.video, Dsound.audio, etc.) is totally free to join and you can start "mining" Steem just by adding content to them. Personally, if you have FOMO Steemit.com is the lowest cost option for alleviating your symptoms!

You're right that we're still a small and niche social network and that may be reflected in the trending page, HOWEVER, that definitely creates opportunity for people to bring something different to the table. Our MOST successful blogger is actually a travel blogger named @sweetsssj. You can see her stuff here: https://steemit.com/@sweetsssj. If you are right that the content isn't valuable, then that means their is a gap in the market that you can fill! Believe me, I know a lot of our community members and we jump any time anyone with a unique valuable proposition comes to the platform and genuinely engages with the community.

A year ago people levied the same criticisms as I am seeing here. Since then we have grown by orders of magnitude and so has the value of our coin. Personally, I don't really know how to respond to people struggling with FOMO. I certainly empathize, but I made a vow not to make decisions based on fear, but instead focus on the vision of the future I want to actualize (one where those who add value to a network receive a proportionate amount of stake in it) and, of course, self interest. I believed in the vision held by those who founded Steemit which is why I started contributing to it (and earned a great deal of Steem in the process) and why I eventually jumped at the opportunity to join the team. I hope to see you around our amazing community. We sincerely believe people come for the rewards, but stay for the community. And there are exciting changes coming soon too!

Community Liaison, Steemit

Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by rev_null on Thursday October 05, 2017 @10:13AM (#15409309)
I think it's real value will take off when amateur pornographers figure out that they can make money on the site.
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by Kiro on Thursday October 05, 2017 @04:54PM (#15412505)
It has already happened and those earn quite a lot but they are of course flagged as NSFW.
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by erikpukinskis on Friday October 06, 2017 @12:35PM (#15418117)
If you are having trouble sorting out where to put your attention in the cryptocurrency space, here's how I would focus:

Most people are treating these things like startups, where the code is the primary asset. That's wrong. The code matters, but the primary asset behind a cryptocurrency is a balanced set of incentives which create an environment that encourages some predictable behavior.

Balancing those incentives is work, and not every project is doing it. Seek out communities where there is focused, ends-oriented discussion about incentives, grounded in recent crypto techniques.

If you find one that is also rallied around a cryptosoftware that does something you care about, and has a "healthy" work culture, whatever that means to you, that's your pot of gold. Not only do you stand a good shot making money investing in that communitity, but you can find a career there, and possibily even make a name for yourself.

Good luck.

Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by nv-vn on Thursday October 05, 2017 @10:01AM (#15409193)
True. There's a massive shortage of interesting content on Steemit in my opinion. I wish there were some way to convince people on HN to start blogging on Steemit because as a blogging platform it has a lot of potential (plus there's some money in it... I made ~$50 on my first article if I recall correctly).
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by tetraca on Thursday October 05, 2017 @10:39AM (#15409523)
There's definitely some good/decent authors there, but they don't make that much money. Probably $10/article on an average day. Most people are at the mercy of a "whale" or some concerted author circle to actually make any substantive amount on an article that isn't some travel blog/ebegging garbage.
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by spookthesunset on Thursday October 05, 2017 @10:26PM (#15414022)
> I'm experiencing a lot of anxiety lately that I'm missing the cryptocurrency boat

That is just the hype getting to you. Anything that sells itself with as much hype as bitcoin does with the implicit (sometimes explicit) message that you better BUY NOW or you'll miss the boat... it means it is probably too good to be true.

The deeper you dig into bitcoin, the less attractive it actually is. Everything from the super shady set of characters that are at the top of its pyramid who hold the majority of its coins to all the promises it makes that are blatant mistruths (it isn't free, it isn't instant, it isn't trustless, it isn't decentralized....). Bitcoin is not a good investment.

Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by homero on Thursday October 05, 2017 @11:08AM (#15409755)
That anxiety is fueling ico scams

I just buy Bitcoin and sit on it

Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by noisypl on Saturday October 07, 2017 @01:51PM (#15424790)
Best thing is, you can post/comment on Steemit, and buy more BTC from earned STEEM :)
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by noisypl on Saturday October 07, 2017 @12:38PM (#15424445)
You just need to find people, which you like, and start follow them, then all interesting things are in your feed.

Why so many crypto news are on trending. It is simple. Most of users came from this area, but right now Steemit is the only blockchain project which actually be used by every-day people.

Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by placeybordeaux on Thursday October 05, 2017 @12:58PM (#15410681)
Just don't buy any of the newer cryptocurrencies. There's much less risk involved in the older cryptocurrencies. That being said bitcoin seems intent on tearing it's self apart at the moment.

If you want to choose a cryptocurrency as a hedge I'd go for litecoin, it's fairly old and under active development. It's far past the point where it's riding on a couple pump and dumps and unlike bitcoin isn't talking about 2-3 chain splits in one year.

It's very hard to tell which of the new cryptocurrencies are legit, and even if you identify ones that look good, that's no guarantee the price will actually go up.

Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by nosuchthing on Thursday October 05, 2017 @04:22PM (#15412296)
Why should anyone buy the older cryptocurrencies for a pricer higher than the early adopters?

Surely cryptocoin software is more than a pump and dump system right? Hodl until you can pass off to the later bag holders?

What happens when the old networks are obsolete?

  In economics, the Gini coefficient is the standard measure 
  of how inequitable a society is. This is tricky to 
  determine for Bitcoin, as it's not quiet a "society" in 
  the Gini sense, one person may have multiple addresses and 
  many addresses have been used only once or a few times. 
  (The commonly-cited figure of 0.88 is based on one small 
  exchange in 2011.) However, a Citigroup analysis from 
  early 2014 notes: "47 individuals hold about 30 percent, 
  another 900 a further 20 percent, the next 10,000 about 
  25% and another million about 20%"; and distribution 
  "looks much like the distribution of wealth in North Korea 
  and makes China's and even the US' wealth distribution 
  look like that of a workers' paradise

  Dorit Ron and Adi Shamir found in a 2012 study that only 
  22% of then-existing Bitcoins were in circulation at all, 
  there were a total of 75 active users or businesses with 
  any kind of volume, one (unidentified) user owned a 
  quarter of all Bitcoins in existence, and one large owner 
  was trying to hide their pile by moving it around in 
  thousands of smaller transactions. (Shamir is one of the 
  most renowned cryptographers in the world and the "S" in 
  "RSA encryption")"
[1] via https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=davidgerard
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by hndamien on Sunday October 08, 2017 @06:27PM (#15430371)
This is probably true, but wealth is only distributed when traded for wealth (or service for wealth creation).
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by nosuchthing on Monday October 09, 2017 @02:39PM (#15436327)
What?

Cryptocoin minting algorithms distribute the supply based on what the developer typed in. Almost always, this is exploited by the developer to create the most amount of coins for the least amount of effort to the smallest group of users at the start of the project. Then they just wait in hopes other users speculate on the "limited" supply and they dump their holdings which cost less to produce then current coins are being produced for.

Trading cards, beanie babies, and database-coin entries have production costs, which users don't always realize are significantly lower than the price they're charged for in retail.

Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by Kiro on Thursday October 05, 2017 @01:22PM (#15410843)
That's funny because one of the biggest name in the Litecoin community is also one of the biggest names on Steem.
Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by sneak on Thursday October 05, 2017 @07:53PM (#15413472)
The trending page is not an accurate representation of the depth of the articles on the platform; we’re working on a number of features to allow people to better tailor their reading to their preferences (beyond a simple “follow”).

If you’re logged out, the trending page is across the whole of the network; that’s of course going to skew toward cryptocurrencies at the moment because, well, Steem itself is also a blockchain and cryptocurrency.

That’s like complaining that HN is about “internet stuff”. Duh. :)

Re:A Social Network Doling Out Millions in Ephemeral Money by somethingabout on Friday October 06, 2017 @12:57PM (#15418299)
In any 'investment' someone wins and someone loses.