> far-right but not far-left

This often comes up in these discussions. You need to realise that the far-right spawns much more violence (against individuals; against groups; against the state) than the far left.

In the UK we recently saw an MP being murdered by a far right extremist; we've seen an increase in racially motivated violence against Muslims and Jews; we've seen small but violent demonstrations by far right organisations.

This kind of stuff just isn't happening from the far left.

We've also seen an increase in racially motivated violence by Muslims such as the Ariana Grande concert and the London Bridge attack.

There have also been plenty of violent demonstration by left wing groups, so much so that a BBC reporter had to have a bodyguard at the Labour conference.

Finally, anti-semitism seems to be as much a thing on the left as the extreme right these days, as shown by the anti-Semitism at the Labour conference.

> You need to realise that the far-right spawns much more violence (against individuals; against groups; against the state) than the far left.

In the UK perhaps.

The most recent attempt on a US Congressman's life:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_sh...

On May 22, 2017, Hodgkinson wrote "Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It's Time to Destroy Trump & Co." above his repost of a Change.org petition demanding "the legal removal" of Trump and Vice President Mike Pence for "treason". He belonged to numerous politically-oriented Facebook groups, including those named "Terminate the Republican Party," "The Road To Hell Is Paved With Republicans," and "Donald Trump is not my President."

When the media normalizes that "punching Nazis" is A-OK, this violence from very unhinged, disturbed individuals is the result.

Ignoring for the moment this article is about a UK politician wanting to make changes to UK law - you might want to look at THE FBI lists. They haven't featured left wing groups since the 70s. They still regularly feature extreme right wing groups.

Most "lone wolf" mass shooters are on the far right; we've seen far right activists shooting into crowds of demonstrators, or driving vehicles into crowds of demonstrators.

For all the talk of "punching Nazis" it's not the left wing who are perpetrating violence in the US.

> They haven't featured left wing groups since the 70s.

The Times They Are A-changin':

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesvi...

> Most "lone wolf" mass shooters are on the far right;

The former deadliest shooter, Omar Mateen was a registered Democrat.

> it's not the left wing who are perpetrating violence in the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/01/...

Is BLM a right-wing group? What's more astonishing here is that the media is A-OK with left-wing violence. They try to portray them as some kind of freedom fighters.

Around 20% of UK murders are committed by migrants who comprise some 10% of the population (FOI data). Are these migrants mostly on the far right? The rule seems to be that they suffer some mental disability unlike of course the nutcase who murdered the MP.

In these times it is not happening from the far left much but there are still exceptions (eg. Antifa). However, this can be explained by the prevalence of leftist views. It is mostly the right that feels compelled to use violence.

It has in the past though. Pol Pot. The Chinese cultural revolution.

You're aware that Britain's government is from the right, aren't you?

Not that they're universally defined, but I think the Tories would be left-of-centre in the US context even though they're considered right-wrong in the UK.

Well, then also US Republicans would have been considered almost bolsheviks in the Third Reich, what with all this bullshit about voting and all... :D

I'd say this is a bit misleading. It's centre-right.

In the UK, centre-left or centre-right tends to be in terms of economic policy anyway. Nearly all UK parties have mostly centre-left social policies.

Apparently "all the censorship comes from the left" is the new "there is no global warming".

Censorship from the left is fine since the other side is "fascist"

only the left wants to ban words that trigger people.

If you're referring to this proposal by the UK government, you should know that the Tories are a right-wing party. Your rants about "the left" are misguided.

not right of centre, right of the left sure.

It's not just the UK, this is the case for just about every western government, the US political system is definitely the eccentric here, if we are trying to find a global political centre, which is as close to an absolute as you are going to get.

    > what of movies that they don't like,
    > will those be banned?

"Is it a book that you would even wish your wife or your servants to read?" -- Mervyn Griffith-Jones at the obscenity trial of Lady Chatterley's Lover

.. which was the end of the old censorship regime and the point at which book, theatre and news censorship collapsed. In 1959.

Yes, that's where it derives its relevance from.