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Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by sergiotapia on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @02:40PM (#15403120)
I uploaded full seasons of a very old 90s cartoon and my account is disabled. I cannot even purchase YouTube TV to try it out.

Of course, reaching out to support is moot - their RoboSupport sucks. I will never purchase a Google product if I can help it and will steer clear of them in any team setting where I can affect the decision.

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by victorhooi on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @03:05PM (#15403425)
Um, you realise you uploaded a bunch of (presumedly) copyrighted material to a public video sharing site?

That would normally raise a bunch of red flags.

If you're stuck, there are dedicated support channels to actually talk to people - or feel free to reach out to me (my non-work email is in my profile.)

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by CountSessine on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @08:23PM (#15405938)
Um, you realise you uploaded a bunch of (presumedly) copyrighted material to a public video sharing site?

I think he realizes that (although I wonder given that he tries to minimize it by saying that it was an 'old 90's cartoon').

I think this is really scary though - did he lose access to YouTube? Or all of gmail? That would really be scary. I'm guessing that he just lost access to YouTube, but if he lost access to his gmail or google docs, then that's an awfully severe penalty for violating someone's copyright. I'm sure the RIAA/MPAA/etc would be pleased... but is that just?

Maybe he just lost access to his YouTube channel?

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by e12e on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @04:01PM (#15404018)
> That would normally raise a bunch of red flags.

This comment is a lot more funny now that I'm finally reading "Little Brother" by Cory Doctorow:

http://craphound.com/littlebrother/download/

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by kuschku on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @04:44PM (#15404448)
Maybe he just uploaded it unlisted, for personal consumption? That’s completely legal.
Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by samstave on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @04:39PM (#15404406)
Uhm, you realize they created a completely open bucket for public to upload videos into and then put all the onus on the uploaders regardless? And they are one of the richest companies on the planet, and they just shit on the users, but allow freaking child porn and other disgusting content and then also delete anything politically relevant if it invades a safe space....

Yeah - screw youtube and google. The onus is on their resources vs the individual.

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by xenomachina on Thursday October 05, 2017 @12:50AM (#15406738)
> Uhm, you realize they created a completely open bucket for public to upload videos into and then put all the onus on the uploaders regardless?

As opposed to what? If the city creates a public park and you decide to commit a crime there, are you somehow no longer responsible?

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by s17n on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @10:11PM (#15406297)
This guy's onus is out of control.
Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by CoolGuySteve on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @04:04PM (#15404057)
IMO it should be illegal to bundle TOS contracts to a single login like this.

There is an economic incentive in terms of saved resources to bundle multiple services in a single account like this but it harms consumers to get cutoff from your entire digital life because of some minor infraction.

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by LeifCarrotson on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @03:39PM (#15403809)
> my account

You use the singular form of "account", which is interesting to me. Are they preventing you in some way (IP address tracking, device tracking, etc) from creating a new account? Why would you not do so?

I wholeheartedly agree that a Youtube violation should not affect your other Google products, like a laptop or email account. Similarly, an Amazon problem should not affect an AWS account. But I will concede that they're within their rights to disable your Youtube account for uploading copyrighted material.

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by 6nf on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @06:29PM (#15405298)
Their TOS prohibits making new accounts to bypass the ban. I don't know if they have automated checks to enforce this but based on the behaviour of spammers and scammers using google products, I suspect they do.
Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by joshuacc on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @03:03PM (#15403400)
> I uploaded full seasons of a very old 90s cartoon and my account is disabled. I cannot even purchase YouTube TV to try it out.

You violated the law and their (rather reasonable in this case) terms of service and are shocked to find they'd rather not do business with you?

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by raesene9 on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @03:08PM (#15403452)
I think the problem is where accounts control a large part of someone's digital life.

so for example here, it appears that someone breached Youtube ToS and lost their whole Google account.

Now imagine you've got all your e-mail/photos/contacts etc in that account and you've just permanently lost them due to that ToS breach.

Of course as technical people we can say "ahh you should have had off-cloud backups", but realistically most non-technical people won't do that and likely won't realise the consequences of their actions.

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by morganvachon on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @03:17PM (#15403564)
"I think the problem is where accounts control a large part of someone's digital life.

so for example here, it appears that someone breached Youtube ToS and lost their whole Google account."

Exactly. I recall the incident[1] where some Google Pixel phone customers were reselling their phones and making a tiny profit. Google permanently deleted hundreds of accounts and never restored them, for violating a mobile phone TOS. Ban them from the Fi mobile service, sure, but don't delete their entire digital lives! That's like getting a life sentence for shoplifting in the physical world.

All your eggs in one basket is never a good strategy, and though I wasn't personally affected by it, the Pixel Phone fiasco opened my eyes to just how much Google and Facebook controlled my own digital persona. I now use neither of their services.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/17/google-su...

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by BinaryIdiot on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @03:12PM (#15403506)
> You violated the law and their (rather reasonable in this case) terms of service and are shocked to find they'd rather not do business with you?

When I worked in the Intelligence Community I had to go through multiple FBI investigations and polygraphs. Every single one of them asked me about laws I may have violated in the past. One of the agents even said (paraphrased, of course) "Maybe you downloaded some movies? It's illegal but many don't realize it and probably most people do it".

Pirating is one of those crimes that has become normalized. The parent may have realized it was illegal but didn't think much of it and probably didn't realize it would lead to his account being completely disabled.

The trouble with Google accounts and becoming disabled is it can very likely ruin a good part of your life because of how much of your data they hold and there are zero ways to redeem yourself if you did do something wrong and there are zero ways to resolve the problem if it was due to something inaccurate or false (which has happened especially if someone else gets into your account).

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by Ao7bei3s on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @03:39PM (#15403803)
> One of the agents even said (paraphrased, of course) "Maybe you downloaded some movies?

What's the correct answer?

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by notatoad on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @04:06PM (#15404079)
The correct answer is to tell the truth. The point of the security clearance process is to determine what somebody might be able to hold against you (i.e. to blackmail you into giving up confidential information)

If you told your interviewer that yes, you have downloaded some pirated movies, then if somebody calls you up saying "hey, i'll tell your boss you're a movie pirate if you don't tell me X" you'll feel confident shutting them down.

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by Fnoord on Friday October 06, 2017 @12:20PM (#15417985)
You should tell the interviewer the truth, but you'll feel confident denying due to lack of proof when a random person makes the claim.

If anything, it makes an asset vulnerable to extortion _from_ the FBI.

See also "The FBI Is Struggling to Hire Hackers Who Don't Smoke Weed". [1]

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/262dde/the_fbi_is_str...

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by astura on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @05:38PM (#15404940)
The truth.
Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by eweise on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @03:37PM (#15403788)
Is downloading movies illegal?
Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by Anon1096 on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @03:48PM (#15403877)
Sharing copyrighted content is
Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by icebraining on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @04:46PM (#15404465)
Not just sharing - even loading a program to RAM to run it is considered a copy and needs a license, as per MAI v. Peak.
Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by sp332 on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @03:55PM (#15403944)
They can sue for copyright infringement, but since the damages are tiny, they generally don't bother. What's different since the DMCA is that "commercial scale" infringement is now a criminal offense even if you're not making any money. And if you're uploading, say by using a bittorrent client which uploads while you're "downloading", then they could make a criminal case.
Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by narrowrail on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @04:25PM (#15404264)
Well, given the question asked, we need to be clear that the legality of downloading copyrighted content varies by country. Also, the DMCA[0] has been around for 21 years, so it's not exactly a recent change. The last time the industry went after a torrenter, it was Hunger Games (2010), IIRC; I always attributed to the Streisand affect[1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_A...

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by fauigerzigerk on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @03:12PM (#15403502)
Draconian punishment without warning and without recourse in response to a single misstep would indeed be very surprising.

If that is what actually happened then it invites regulatory action considering Google's unparalleled market share and reach.

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by kuschku on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @04:47PM (#15404471)
It happens frequently from Google.

You bought a Pixel phone, and Google thinks you might be a reseller? Then your account will be terminated, too.

And yes, there should be massive regulatory action, Google is doing so much stuff that should be fixed, it’s impossible to even list it all.

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by hobarrera on Thursday October 05, 2017 @02:37AM (#15407045)
The problem is when a company which has such huge monopolies decides they won't do business with you.

This guy has a for-life veto on a lot of the leading technologies, and cannot use a lot of product (in an every increasing list).

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by tmaly on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @02:53PM (#15403290)
>support is moot

that is how I feel about most of their hardware products. I had a nexus 5 and when ever there was an android release, there were all sorts of problems that filled up the message boards.

Re:Google Pixelbook – A High Performance Chromebook by adam12 on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @03:21PM (#15403605)
I miss the days of the "Don't be Evil" Google.