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Re:Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups? by kiith_naabal on Friday September 29, 2017 @11:28PM (#15371054)
Fun fact: most Swedes are covered by unemployment insurance, which gives you 70-80% of the income from your last job for a year.[1] I imagine this helps, as it's not only a safety net if your startup tanks, but also a runway for starting risky ventures.

[1] https://www.justlanded.se/english/Sweden/Sweden-Guide/Jobs/U...

Re:Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups? by bjelkeman-again on Saturday September 30, 2017 @01:09AM (#15371343)
If you own the company that tanks it is harder to get the unemployment insurance [1] (in Swedish) but it is possible. The 80% maxes out at 18 700 SEK / month ($2300) before tax.

[1] https://www.foretagande.se/a-kassa-for-foretagare-sa-fungera...

Re:Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups? by jacobr on Saturday September 30, 2017 @10:40AM (#15373038)
> The 80% maxes out at 18 700 SEK / month ($2300) before tax.

Many unions will offer you cheap insurances covering up to 3 times that amount. And you can actually be in the union and get many benefits even as an entrepreneur.

Re:Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups? by kryptiskt on Saturday September 30, 2017 @03:50AM (#15371788)
It's capped at a low level, it's not 70-80% for a typical programmer salary. I think I would get like 35% of what I earn.
Re:Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups? by thesmallestcat on Saturday September 30, 2017 @12:45AM (#15371280)
In the US you can't collect unemployment if you quit and you have to demonstrate that you're looking for a job. Are either of those the case in Sweden?
Re:Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups? by kryptiskt on Saturday September 30, 2017 @04:04AM (#15371819)
There is a quarantine period of a couple of months if you quit. You have to be looking for a job, which means submitting reports of what jobs you have applied for to the job exchange. There are quite severe restrictions on what you can do while on unemployment, but if you want to do a startup there is likely some program that allows you to get the money and do that.
Re:Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups? by fastbeef on Saturday September 30, 2017 @01:20AM (#15371379)
If you quit, as opposed to being fired, you have to wait three months before being able to apply. You have to prove applying for jobs as well.
Re:Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups? by ImSkeptical on Saturday September 30, 2017 @02:54AM (#15371627)
Doesn't that just encourage people to get fired instead of quitting?
Re:Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups? by hobofan on Saturday September 30, 2017 @03:06AM (#15371665)
(German here, but pretty much the same situation.)

Not really. It's really hard to try and get fired, since the employees are protected pretty well. So in order to get fired you would have to mess up pretty bad, to a point where you would usually leave a lot of scorched earth, so very few people do that.

If you are on good terms with the company you can also "get fired" (I've heard of that in a few startups), so you can collect the benefits, but that only works in a small set of companys I think.

Re:Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups? by KGIII on Saturday September 30, 2017 @03:46AM (#15371777)
If you're fired for cause, they deny unemployment benefits.

You can't just stop doing your job, show up drunk, and yell obscenities at your boss all day. Well, you can, but you probably won't get unemployment benefits.

Re:Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups? by fastbeef on Saturday September 30, 2017 @08:24AM (#15372542)
If you show up drunk or with anger management problems, the company is by law required to provide you with professional help. If that doesn't work, they can fire you and your benefits kick in from day 1.
Re:Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups? by KGIII on Saturday September 30, 2017 @09:44AM (#15372830)
Are you positive? I checked with Google and I may have the wrong keywords, but I'm not seeing that as a law in the United States.

Sadly, I have not just one - but two friends who have lost their jobs for showing up incapacitated. One wasn't alcohol, though. They were stuffed full of amphetamines - but the first one was drunk. Neither mentioned any employer offers of rehab.

Re:Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups? by fastbeef on Saturday September 30, 2017 @05:21PM (#15375045)
Sorry about the confusion, I was talking about Sweden
Re:Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups? by KGIII on Saturday September 30, 2017 @05:47PM (#15375149)
It's all good. Employees don't get nearly as much protection here. I see that as a negative.