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Re:For Homeless Advocates, a Discouraging Lesson in L.A.: Mo... by jdavis703 on Friday September 29, 2017 @05:10PM (#15369235)
Are there any online tools that YIMBYs can use to see and alert when a new development is planned for their neighborhood? I'd love to know when I need to go the local council and tell them to just build some damn housing.
Re:For Homeless Advocates, a Discouraging Lesson in L.A.: Mo... by apike on Friday September 29, 2017 @06:47PM (#15369906)
Local YIMBY groups often send notices like this out. For example, in Vancouver, the Abundant Housing Vancouver group has a mailing list and Twitter feed for proposed housing developments worth supporting. Supporters of housing can then be the "yes" voice that city councils rarely hear on these projects.
Re:For Homeless Advocates, a Discouraging Lesson in L.A.: Mo... by deepsun on Friday September 29, 2017 @06:17PM (#15369720)
You should get those notifications by regular mail, they must notify the neighborhood. At least I keep receiving all those mails.
Re:For Homeless Advocates, a Discouraging Lesson in L.A.: Mo... by pfarnsworth on Friday September 29, 2017 @06:54PM (#15369952)
It's not housing that's the issue. It's mental health. Most homeless people are suffering from mental health so giving them a place to stay won't solve anything.
Re:For Homeless Advocates, a Discouraging Lesson in L.A.: Mo... by cbhl on Friday September 29, 2017 @07:01PM (#15369992)
I've spent a few nights in the psych ward at Zuckerberg General. There were quite a few homeless people. There were people that faked being crazy to get a bed and a hot meal, and the psychiatrist had to kick them back out onto the street.

Mental health services are ineffective if a person's basic needs aren't met. Giving homeless people a home is far from enough, but you can't expect a homeless person to get better if they are stuck out on the streets.

Re:For Homeless Advocates, a Discouraging Lesson in L.A.: Mo... by cal5k on Saturday September 30, 2017 @03:06AM (#15371664)
In Toronto many people who were formerly institutionalized are now living on the streets. I walk through an area with a high concentration of shelters on a daily basis, and I can tell you that most of these people suffer from some kind of mental health disorder ranging from mild to severe. It's certainly not helped by addiction, but I can't help but feel like homeless shelters or the streets are not the right place for these people. Nor could most of them be expected to look after their own needs if they were given enough money - we already have a reasonably generous welfare system in Canada.
Re:For Homeless Advocates, a Discouraging Lesson in L.A.: Mo... by oblib on Friday September 29, 2017 @07:03PM (#15370006)
That's not entirely true. There are a lot of working homeless living in cars, nightly and weekly rental motels, tents, staying with family, friends, etc.
Re:For Homeless Advocates, a Discouraging Lesson in L.A.: Mo... by prostoalex on Friday September 29, 2017 @07:19PM (#15370090)
Those ones are actually quite rare in LA. People who are down on luck have access to shelters, church outreach efforts and government assistance. They also have access to a fairly large job market and a public transportation system that's pretty reasonable for the US, so being rational people they are generally off the street pretty quickly.
Re:For Homeless Advocates, a Discouraging Lesson in L.A.: Mo... by oblib on Friday September 29, 2017 @08:00PM (#15370277)
That was certainly true in LA when I lived there. That's been awhile but I suspect it's still true where I lived there, mostly in the SF Valley.

I did recently see a video of two guys biking on trail in Orange County (I think) and it was lined on each side for miles with tents and makeshift shacks. I never saw anything like that when I lived there. It was impressive.

Re:For Homeless Advocates, a Discouraging Lesson in L.A.: Mo... by prostoalex on Friday September 29, 2017 @09:16PM (#15370602)
I live nearby, and my knowledge comes from a local Nextdoor group.

Someone affiliated with local church mentioned that their shelter is actually low on occupancy, and any attempts to help more homeless were met with distrust, outright refusal to be affiliated with "the system", and a bunch of crazier reasons.

Someone from Anaheim local government also chimed in and mentioned that although that's not the city's official position, a lot of city efforts were turned down by the homeless, and any rational person has been helped and can get help through existing agencies.

Re:For Homeless Advocates, a Discouraging Lesson in L.A.: Mo... by scruple on Friday September 29, 2017 @10:05PM (#15370784)
I'm in the area, as well. My brother-in-law is an infrequent guest of places like Skid Row and the sprawling tent city along the Santa Ana River Trail. I'm actually not sure what state the tent city along the Santa Ana River Trail is in these days, I had thought that I had read recently that there were attempts to break that party up.

Anyway, from where I stand, here's the rub. My BIL needs to be medicated to not succumb to his delusions, his extreme mania, and extreme paranoia (he is diagnosed schizoaffective). When he is medicated, he can hold down a (part-time, minimum wage) job, help with chores, and can generally be a fairly reliable person in the family. Yet, he is an adult. If he chooses not to take his medication, that is his right. But, when he chooses not to take his medication, he ends up homeless, self-medicating, and will eventually find his way back in to a state run mental health facility through crime. He has been stuck in this cycle for half of his life, he will be turning 30 in a year or two.

I want to make a distinction here that this person has never served time. He probably should've, given some of the things he has done that have gotten him arrested, but he's in the system and so he seems to get a get out jail free card for the types of crime he commits.

He always has a place to live (though he doesn't like some of these places, like my home, because of the rules that come with it). He has SSI that is deposited directly to his account from the state once a month. He has access to health care and mental health professionals (Medi-Cal). What he doesn't have, and what I suspect many folks in his condition don't have, from years of talking to others in our situation, is a genuine desire to, or the ability to, confront their illness.

We are waiting patiently for that to change. We're not very optimistic, but we are hopeful. We've learned through counseling, education courses, etc... myself over the last decade, my wife has been at it even longer, that he has to be in control (with the obvious exceptions, like when he's locked up). Trying to force him to do what is in his own self-interest is a self-indulgent and self-serving behavior that just makes everything worse.

It's a very hard reality to live with, especially so when it's your family, but there's nothing that anyone can do to help a person who doesn't want to help themselves.

Re:For Homeless Advocates, a Discouraging Lesson in L.A.: Mo... by david38 on Saturday September 30, 2017 @12:06AM (#15371159)
In places like Hong Kong and Singapore this is not his right and their mentally disabled are much better off. Much less revolving door, less stigma, less crime, more family support, etc.

Just because we do something one way doesn't make it the best way.

Re:For Homeless Advocates, a Discouraging Lesson in L.A.: Mo... by scruple on Saturday September 30, 2017 @12:39AM (#15371265)
I don't for one second think this is the best way. I didn't mean to give that impression. I actually have very strong feelings and opinions about these things but I tend to keep those to myself because of the culture we live in. I think a system like what they have in HK would simply be a non-starter in the Western world.
Re:For Homeless Advocates, a Discouraging Lesson in L.A.: Mo... by oblib on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @09:25PM (#15397628)
I feel for you. My first wife suffered from much the same thing. You've pretty much described her to a "tee".

She's 54 years old now and hasn't changed much since her first "breakdown" in her early 20s. I think it's safe to say she never will. Her's was triggered by postpartum syndrome after we had a child that died shortly after birth. It was a terrible thing to witness. It happened over the course of about two weeks and got to the point where it was an obvious safety issue for our year old daughter so I had to have her "committed".

She spent time in various psyche wards in the Los Angeles area, including the County Hospital. I visited her there many times and I can attest that it was always an adventure.

She was never a threat to me or anyone else but she's committed petty crimes on occasion while living on the streets. She's bounced around between halfway houses and the streets and brief stays in psyche wards and local jails since. I left California when our daughter was 3-1/2 years old. Over the years since when she's been doing good our daughter has visited her for a few weeks at a time and got to know her and that side of her family, so for us it's not been near so hard as could have been.

Getting our daughter away from that chaos was a deliberate decision on my part. I didn't want her constantly wrapped up in that. I've helped her mother out many times over the years and never turned down her requests for help, but there's been years go by in between when we didn't hear from her and often when we did she contacted me to ask for money and didn't want to get back into any sort of program.

She has a brother who's set her with an apartment and paid all her bills and gave her a comfortable allowance over the past ten or more years and she's decided to head back to the streets and disappeared a few times still. Last we heard she was doing a short stint in jail somewhere out there.

When she's doing good she's really quite brilliant, and when she heads out to the streets she's as determined to be there as one could be and there is no stopping her.

I don't see how it would do any good to lock her up. Not her or society as a whole.

It's true, she hasn't stayed long in any public housing or program, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be there and available when she's needing it or willing to try and work at normalizing. I know for sure it's helped her many times.

Re:For Homeless Advocates, a Discouraging Lesson in L.A.: Mo... by unionstrong on Friday September 29, 2017 @06:19PM (#15369729)
Get involved. Go to meetings. Talk to people. This isn't a technology problem so much as an involvement problem. RSS feeds of some of these things already exist too. But first and foremost, talk to people.
Re:For Homeless Advocates, a Discouraging Lesson in L.A.: Mo... by davidw on Friday September 29, 2017 @06:41PM (#15369879)
Yes, but, it's also a tech problem.

For instance, here in Bend, I like to comment favorably on proposed developments, but it's hard to catch the open comment period. I've talked with city staff about the issue, and eventually they'll switch to another platform that allows it, but for now, it's a matter of looking at the site every now and then.