News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by zaptheimpaler on Thursday September 28, 2017 @09:10PM (#15362042)
1 Satoshi = 0.00000001 BTC (10^-8 BTC)

It represents the smallest fraction of 1 bitcoin you can use as an amount in a transaction, so they are the smallest (indivisible) units.

Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by pycal on Friday September 29, 2017 @08:14AM (#15364574)
One of the things I found surprising and curious about bitcoin is that the minimum viable amount is actually the transaction fee, which is maybe around 27,000 satoshis (median tx size x 120 satoshis/byte).

The surprising part for me was that, as a corollary to that, wallets with less than that amount have bitcoin in them which is potentially permanently removed from the total supply of BTC.

Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by biggerfisch on Friday September 29, 2017 @08:19AM (#15364595)
Well, you can send zero fee transactions, they'll just take a while to get through, depending on the current size of the mempool. And you can also always send transactions from multiple addresses, meaning you can add up these small amounts to something more meaningful
Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by rtkwe on Friday September 29, 2017 @02:49PM (#15368021)
Will zero fee transactions ever get confirmations? They'll be the absolute last thing any miner includes so unless there's nothing else I wouldn't expect them to get any confirmations.
Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by zghst on Thursday September 28, 2017 @10:03PM (#15362234)
Very interesting name for a decimal. What an intricate community
Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by derefr on Thursday September 28, 2017 @10:18PM (#15362300)
It's the name of the creator of Bitcoin, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Nakamoto. You can imagine them as little pennies with Satoshi's head imprinted on them, if you like.

And it's not really a decimal; it's more properly "1 bitcoin" in the technical sense. 1BTC was later defined to be equal to 10^8 Satoshis because that seemed like a useful amount of money to track exchange rates for (though now it's about 10^4 too high.)

Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by lstyls on Thursday September 28, 2017 @10:35PM (#15362357)
"Name" is maybe not quite right, "Satoshi Nakomoto" is the creator's pseudonym. The actual author of the bitcoin whitepaper is unknown and the subject of much speculation.

I'm sure OP knows this, I'm just being pedantic.

Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by dragonwriter on Friday September 29, 2017 @02:07PM (#15367593)
A pseudonym is a kind of name, so “name” is entirely correct, if not entirely complete (though, AFAIK, it is as complete as is known to be correct, since it is only widely presumed, rather than known, that the name is a pseudonym.)
Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by knocte on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:58AM (#15363066)
Strictly speaking, it's not known if the name is a pseudonym either. There are people in the world that have that name and they haven't denied being the creator.
Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by lstyls on Friday September 29, 2017 @05:23AM (#15363859)
If it is said author's name, why have they not publicly claimed to be this Satoshi? Name one such individual who has credibly been considered to have invented bitcoin.
Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by phaemon on Friday September 29, 2017 @11:44AM (#15366274)
You want the name of the Satoshi Nakomoto who is most likely to be the Satoshi Nakomoto? The name? That's what you want? Are you sure you've thought this through?
Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by mrb on Thursday September 28, 2017 @11:17PM (#15362500)
Wait until you see the nomenclature used for Ethereum units: Wei, Kwei, Szabo, etc https://etherconverter.online

Buterin couldn't possibly have made it more complicated.

Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by eberkund on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:40PM (#15367383)
It looks like standard SI prefixes to me, what's so complicated about that?
Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by mrb on Friday September 29, 2017 @04:34PM (#15368915)
They don't use SI prefixes. They use wei, ada, babbage, shannon, szabo, finney, ether, and einstein. facepalm
Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by ufo on Thursday September 28, 2017 @10:15PM (#15362285)
(Satoshi is the inventor of bitcoin, in case you don't know)
Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by sillysaurus3 on Thursday September 28, 2017 @10:24PM (#15362319)
Not quite. The central ideas underpinning bitcoin are very old, tracing back to hashcash and bitgold. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Hashcash#History

It's not really an important distinction, but maybe someone will find the history interesting.

Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by proofofstake on Thursday September 28, 2017 @11:40PM (#15362579)
See also this 1996 NSA paper "How to Make a Mint: The Cryptography of Anonymous Electronic Cash", predating both Hashcash and Bit gold.

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money...

(and OP seems factually correct: Satoshi was the inventor of Bitcoin).

Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by andrewla on Friday September 29, 2017 @10:48AM (#15365750)
The idea of electronic money is old. What this describes is a Chaum blind-signature style centrally-cleared coin, which dates back to his 1983 paper. There is no protection against double-spends in this scheme (without the clearing agency taking an active role), and no protection against the central agency creating unlimited amounts of coin.

Proof-of-work schemes like hashcash and bitgold are much closer to hitting on the central ideas that led to Bitcoin. It's like crediting Democritus with atomic theory -- yes, he's talking about the same thing, but in such a way that the final realization is so different as to be unrecognizable.

Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by toomim on Friday September 29, 2017 @12:03AM (#15362636)
Lots of people try to take credit for the ideas in Bitcoin (especially Adam Back, who you linked to), but Satoshi was its clear inventor.
Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by oska on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:39AM (#15362989)
Satoshi Nakamoto referenced Adam Back in his Bitcoin white paper. I don't see that as Adam Back ‘trying to take credit’, rather the reverse.
Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by rmrfrmrf on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:54AM (#15363047)
In that case, Ben Franklin is the inventor of the internet.
Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by tylersmith on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:19AM (#15362891)
HashCash's contributions were fairly small. PoW was already invented and RPoW quickly improved upon it. I have no idea why Satoshi even referenced it.
Re:Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining c... by Ajedi32 on Friday September 29, 2017 @09:13AM (#15364920)
The US Dollar has the penny, nickle, dime, and quarter, and Bitcoin has the satoshi. It's not really that hard to understand.