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Re:Hugh Hefner has died by toomuchtodo on Thursday September 28, 2017 @01:22AM (#15354851)
> There is a wide gap between appreciating beauty and using women as pleasure objects.

Wasn't the women's rights movement about recognizing their agency? And if they wanted to be treated in such a manner, they could be if they wanted to? Consenting adults...consented to their situation in this case. What is wrong with that?

Before you reply that I should read "what is was like", I have. Having worked for a brief period in the adult film industry performing technical work in my early 20s, I have a passing interest in the adult entertainment subculture.

EDIT @ colechristensen

I'm not blind or unconcerned with the inequitable power balance in the entertainment (traditional and adult) industries leading to abuse and exploitation, I'm simply unsure what you're expecting from adults with free will. There are no good or bad people, just people who do good or bad things.

> You can respect women and realize the porn industry is lousy with abuse at the same time.

I agree.

Re:Hugh Hefner has died by colechristensen on Thursday September 28, 2017 @01:40AM (#15354914)
There are certainly consenting adults, some of whom want to do things and have things done to the median person might find horrifying. There's nothing at all wrong with that. The existence of consenting adults doesn't erase the prevalence of powerful people preying on vulnerable people. The "adult entertainment subculture" is full of this and if you don't know it you're blind. It's not all that way and banning it tends to make it worse.

You can respect women and realize the porn industry is lousy with abuse at the same time.

Re:Hugh Hefner has died by KGIII on Thursday September 28, 2017 @01:46AM (#15354939)
The Wikipedia article about him has nothing to say on the topic. The only references I see are on tabloid sites and appear to come from a tell-all book and a single interview with another ex-playmate.

I didn't dig very deep and their lack of mention on Wikipedia makes me immediately doubt their credibility, until there is further verification and a presentation of credible evidence.

Yes, I hold the same burdens of proof for everyone and always assume innocence until reasonable evidence suggests guilt. I figure some folks might question that, so I'll just put it out there now.

From some of the attitudes expressed in this thread, I'm thinking some people don't appreciate the magazine or what it did. It promoted safe and healthy sex and gave many women agency and the ability to be confident and have some self-respect.

Somewhere along the lines, it has again become taboo for a woman to want to take her clothing off, look appealing, and enjoy herself. I dunno? As a guy, I kind of like taking my clothing off, looking appealing, and enjoying myself.