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Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by thestephen on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @05:24AM (#15337281)
"Some 800 pages came back containing information such as my Facebook “likes”, my photos from Instagram (even after I deleted the associated account)"

It's going to be interesting to see how Tinder tackles the 2018 EU General Data Protection Regulation in 2018 and how things will play out in courts and practice.

For example, are you allowed to store information that I have chosen to unlink? Will Tinder have an easy way to export the data without having to settle to long email conversations, as there is a right to data portability? If so, in what format will this data be presented?

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by Legogris on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @05:36AM (#15337311)
Damn, the right to data portability had completely passed by me. This has the potential of being way more of a headache for existing services than the right to be forgotten. It's great, though - I can't wait to see when this gets tested in court.
Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by dogma1138 on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @06:33AM (#15337518)
Considering that they've managed to gather all of the author's data in a short time they would fare pretty darn well, for most companies that is the hard part.

The GDPR isn't nearly as scary as people set it out to be, and it gives companies a huge amount of wiggle room.

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by ATsch on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @08:22AM (#15337959)
Could you give some examples of this wiggle room?
Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by dogma1138 on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @08:28AM (#15337997)
The GDPR replaces the right to be forgotten with the right to erasure. But article 17 also gives the following grounds for refusal:

Paragraphs 1 and 2 shall not apply to the extent that processing is necessary:

1) for exercising the right of freedom of expression and information;

2) for compliance with a legal obligation which requires processing by Union or Member State law to which the controller is subject or for the performance of a task carried out in the public interest or in the exercise of official authority vested in the controller;

3) for reasons of public interest in the area of public health in accordance with points (h) and (i) of Article 9(2) as well as Article 9(3);

4) for archiving purposes in the public interest, scientific or historical research purposes or statistical purposes in accordance with Article 89(1) in so far as the right referred to in paragraph 1 is likely to render impossible or seriously impair the achievement of the objectives of that processing; or

5) for the establishment, exercise or defence of legal claims.

The first example is effectively a carte blanche to argue nearly any request for refusal in court.

The second one allows member states to pretty much tell companies not to delete information, whilst this was set up with compliance in mind, the wording has likely been formatted to also fit other needs such as security and state monitoring.

The third one pretty much allows you to keep medical records and insurance information.

The forth one is similar to the first with celebrities, public figures and major events in mind (the Gawker clause).

The fifth one has been singled out by dating sites and other services such as ride sharing apps as the reason for them to keep data.

I am not a lawyer this isn't a legal advice, speak to a legal firm or an auditor for proper advice.

I have been working on a few GDPR compliance projects internally for the past year and I've had to speak with quite a few lawyers and they all pretty much said it's actually far better for most companies than the existing framework as long as they can automate data discovery and know where they data comes from and where does it go.

You can fight the right to erase the data of a user pretty easily, what you cannot cockup (Art. 15, 20 and 21 of the GDPR primarily) is the ability to disclose what data you have on them and what is it used for which is like I've previously stated the tricky part for most cases. And as far as I can see Tinder pretty aced the tricky part.

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by Msurrow on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @10:00AM (#15338685)
But what you are forgetting is Tinders (or any other companys) legal merrit for storing your data in the first place. Generalizing the Regulation; In most cases Tinder or any other only have the right to store (process or transmit to a third party) you data if you have given explicit consent. And you can revoke your consent.

So the issue is not the right to delete data in the case where you no longer use Tinder. The issue is that Tinder is simply not allowed to keep your data. In fact they must on their own initiative actively ensure they dont store data they are not allowed to, that is, on their own initiative delete your data, if you revoke your consent.

Edit: oh, and the best part. If you withdraw your consent Tinder is responsible for instructing all other companies that they shared your data with (including sold to) to delete your data (and followup that they did).

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by dogma1138 on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @10:11AM (#15338777)
"The data subject shall have the right to withdraw his or her consent at any time. The withdrawal of consent shall not affect the lawfulness of processing based on consent before its withdrawal."

I'm also not sure if how did Tinder get the data (and yes it's important), Data sharing, 3rd party clauses etc. are also covered by the GDPR.

Does the GDPR can improve privacy? yes, but it really isn't the sledge hammer that people think it is.

This is a very big subject to big to cover over this channel to be frank.

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by Msurrow on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @02:08PM (#15341148)
Hmm but do you interpret that to be the act of processing while the consent was in effect is not retrospectively made illegal, or to mean that data shared/obtained while a concent was in effect is still legal to keep after the consent is withdrawn.
Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by dogma1138 on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @03:32PM (#15341808)
You do not have to delete the data once consent is retracted, unless it's the only basis for lawful processing and even then I'm not entirely sure if deletion is mandated as archiving is allowed.

Also (from B&B): "Individuals can require data to be ‘erased’ when there is a problem with the underlying legality of the processing or where they withdraw consent."

This is also a bit vague but it looks like withdrawing consent does not invoke deletion explicitly, it might simply change the lawfulness of processing which might require you to delete data if it's you only use consent as the basis of your LP.

However explicit consent is also not the only way to do "lawful processing" there are other ways to keep and get data.

Tinder can claim lawful processing after a retraction of consent with other allowances under Article 6:

1) processing is necessary in order to protect the vital interests of the data subject or of another natural person;

2) processing is necessary for the purposes of the legitimate interests pursued by the controller or by a third party, except where such interests are overridden by the interests or fundamental rights and freedoms of the data subject which require protection of personal data, in particular where the data subject is a child.

The 2nd one is pretty straight forward this is in essence a third party clause loophole, and the first one can be used by Tinder or the likes specifically in such cases where they would need to give data to the authorities in the such cases as sexual assault or harassment.

There is also a difference with what the GDPR defines as "further processing", which what happens when you want to use information for other purposes than what consent was given for, there has to be a link but this is again vague enough to be on a case by case basis.

"Further processing for archiving purposes in the public interest, scientific or historical research purposes or statistical purposes should be considered to be compatible lawful processing operations."

Bird & Bird has a lot of free information on GDPR and it's real world implications for companies google them :)

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by Msurrow on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @01:33AM (#15345152)
Oh I know the two birds fairly well :-)

Completely agree that there are other basis for legality, but most of the seem to favor either the registered person or other laws. And that was sort of my thought when saying Tinder would have to delete if you withdraw consent: I would think consent would be the only grounds for processing data for a company like Tinder. Wrt 1 and 2 of article 6 you mention. I'd have though Tinder wouldnt be able to claim anything since for 1) the interest of the subject would the to delete it and 2) "Tinder making money on your data" cannot be considered a legitimate interest. And when it comes to Tinder havning to store due things like in the case of sexual assault they would still have to consider the priciples of limitation on what they use the data for (eg. cannot sell your sexual prefernces to adverticers if the only legal grounds is some law requirinh them to store data for a very scific cause), right? And then there is the whole notification to the subject thats going to be a major pain aswell.

Anyway, not a lawyer, and all the special cases you point out is probably valid. But thats why the only really interesting thing is to see the first cases and judgements on this so we can get some indication of interpretation. And ofcourse seeing EU will actually execute the high fines - if not then all this wont have any effect anyway

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by rmc on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @07:55AM (#15346856)
But that's just the "right to be forgotten" angle, right? Isn't there more to the GDPR than that?
Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by slamdance on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @05:46AM (#15337350)
I think worst case (best case?) scenario is that they will 'copy' the data they're not supposed to keep off to another country, maybe anonymize it but otherwise the data will still be there. Its too important - even in anonymized form. Its capable of helping sociologists, medical researchers, advertisers, etc... They don't need to know that "James. T. McLovin' of 123 Happy Lane, went on 15 dates and slept with 3 women, prefers brunettes", but knowing that a "John Doe, M, 27, income of $50k, likes rugby, etc..." is good information to have.
Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by nicktelford on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @05:54AM (#15337383)
The country the data resides in is irrelevant. If the data is about an EU citizen, that's all that matters.

I believe the company in question would also need a legal entity in the EU in order for the EU to prosecute them, as I don't think you can take (e.g.) an American company to an EU court. IANAL though.

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by vidarh on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @06:19AM (#15337469)
You can take an American company to an EU court assuming the EU court has jurisdiction, and laws can specify that its jurisdiction should extend to actions taken outside the geographical area (I don't know if that is the case here).

Without a US court case they'd be dependent on assets or an income stream in the EU to be able to force payment of any fines, though.

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by pgeorgi on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @08:40AM (#15338079)
> assuming the EU court has jurisdiction

If the company wants to do business with a EU customers, they have _some_ surface area in the EU, which is enough.

> an income stream in the EU

If the company cares for EU customers, there's probably also _some_ way to make money on them. Unless EU customers will exclusively get Netflix USA ads in the future (which are 100% useless to them) on an otherwise 100% free service, there is a money stream to hook into.

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by vidarh on Thursday September 28, 2017 @06:12AM (#15355988)
That's not necessarily true for every site, though. A US site selling goods to EU consumers via US payment providers does not necessarily have any assets or income stream going through EU banks etc. that they could easily go after.

That said, that's usually only a problem with small companies. Very few large companies manage to avoid all financial exposure to the EU and still do business with EU residents, so it has relatively little practical impact.

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by rmc on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @07:57AM (#15346870)
Not only the money stream part, but if a big company pulls out of the EU, then they leave a big hole for someone else to fill. And you've just created a competitor who has a market base that you are choosing to not compete it.

e.g. if Facebook pulled out (unlikely), then someone can just make a new Facebook site (we already know what functionality to copy), and then suddenly Facebook has a competitor.

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by brango on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @07:34AM (#15337752)
The GDPR relies on international treaties to make the location of the business irrelevant. Any company processing data of EU citizens must comply IIRC.
Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by vidarh on Thursday September 28, 2017 @06:20AM (#15356022)
Do you have any pointers to where I can find info on that? It's clear that the GDPR itself establishes jurisdiction for EU courts over GDPR worldwide - it's very explicit about that.

But I can't find anything about how they'd make it enforceable in other jurisdictions (as opposed to enforcing the judgements by e.g. fining EU subsidiaries and the like).

Article 50 does say the Commission should take "appropriate steps" to ensure international "cooperation mechanisms", and its clear under e.g article 44 onwards that carrying out a transfer to a jurisdiction where the data would be subject to inadequate controls would be a violation of the directive, so you may very well be right.

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by lordlimecat on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @03:29PM (#15341779)
>You can take an American company to an EU court assuming the EU court has jurisdiction,

Sure you can. EU Courts did it to Microsoft over (IIRC) internet explorer resulting in a brand new SKU. Microsoft tried the logic you used at which point the EU courts started levying 1.5m euro / day fines for noncompliance.

Turns out that if you want to do business in a jurisdiction badly enough, it creates their leverage to enforce their laws on you.

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by vidarh on Thursday September 28, 2017 @06:08AM (#15355974)
Huh? You seem to be violently agreeing with me, while implying I'm saying something else.

I don't quite get what logic you think I used that doesn't agree fully with what you said above would be.

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by slamdance on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @06:05AM (#15337425)
eh. Maybe. If they copy the data to a 3rd party in America (i.e. sell the data a marketing company, for "research" purposes), then the EU can't really go after the marketing company. I'm not saying it's right. I don't see why they couldn't anonymize the data (morally or ethically). But, I don't own a marketing company.
Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by vidarh on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @06:20AM (#15337472)
If a company based in the EU is transferring the data to a 3rd party in America without appropriate safeguards to ensure said data is treated in a way that complies with EU law, then the transfer itself is unlawful, and the EU can go after the company for that.
Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by stordoff on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @07:05AM (#15337628)
They don't need to. By selling the data on without ensuring the requirements continue to be met, the original company can be taken to court.
Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by rmc on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @07:58AM (#15346877)
> If they copy the data to a 3rd party in America (i.e. sell the data a marketing company, for "research" purposes), then the EU can't really go after the marketing company.

No, but they can go after the original company who transfered the data. Remember, under EU law, companies don't own that personal data. It's not theirs to give away.

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by kuschku on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @09:09AM (#15338270)
Actually, the EU wrote into the GDPR that they can do exactly that. Any company with data on EU citizen is liable, no matter where they got it from.
Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by beager on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @09:05AM (#15338234)
> and slept with 3 women

At first I thought "how would they know that" but it's simple: establish "home" for each of a match pair and identify that both parties' devices are at one or the other "home" during certain hours after matching.

In that sense, it's more than just data, it's inference, and that's almost worse as a private company's data could end up libeling you if it leaks!

Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by devdad on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @04:13PM (#15342112)
Uhm. I'd guess they'd be able to pull it from chats easier than what you're suggesting.
Re:When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of ... by goialoq on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @10:46PM (#15344514)
? Running a data-analysis job over location history is much easier than trying to do NLP on chats and detecting ghosting.