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Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by simonw on Sunday September 24, 2017 @04:45PM (#15326421)
Worth re-iterating: The American Red Cross and the International Committee of the Red Cross are independent organizations, with very different reputations.
Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by pragone on Sunday September 24, 2017 @05:32PM (#15326602)
Care to expand on this?

Edit: Based on the downvotes, I'm guessing I wasn't really clear what I was going for - I hadn't heard about the International Committee before, so I was looking for some more information about how they differ.

Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by siddboots on Sunday September 24, 2017 @07:03PM (#15326988)
The structure of the international red cross movement is a bit confusing. There are completely independent national societies in most countries (E.g. The American Red Cross), as well international organisations based in Geneva (The ICRC and the IFCR).

In the US, the phrase "Red Cross" often is used to refer to "American Red Cross", which is the national society who deliver blood services and local disaster response. They've come under some criticism for apparent lack of transparency around how donations are spent, and for allegedly having very high overheads.

The IFRC (International Federation) is an international organisation that facilitates cooperation between the independent national societies.

The ICRC (International Committee) is a large international organisation whose mandate derives from the Geneva Convention, and whose work is focussed on armed conflict. They work with war casualties, prisoners of war, refugees, civilian victims of all forms, on any and all sides of conflict. They also help coordinate disaster relief in lots of cases just because they have the organisational ability to do it. In my opinion they're among the most trustworthy organisations that you could give to.

Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by craftyguy on Sunday September 24, 2017 @08:25PM (#15327263)
> They've come under some criticism for apparent lack of transparency around how donations are spent, and for allegedly having very high overheads.

They are also borderline abusive with how often they will call you and harass you if you miss an opportunity to donate blood. They apparently have unlimited funds to pay phone operators.

Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by astura on Sunday September 24, 2017 @09:24PM (#15327458)
Not borderline abusive, they are straight up abusive with their phone calls. If you ever decide to give blood do NOT give them your phone number.

I tried to give blood ONCE and found out that I was ineligible. For the next five years or so they harassed me non stop about giving blood. I told them I was ineligible they just said "ok" but I still got phonecalls. I asked them to stop calling me but they didn't stop. After a while I would just hang up on them. I got the phonecalls to stop by emailing the ombudsman. Never got a reply but the phonecalls stopped shortly after.

Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by treehau5 on Monday September 25, 2017 @12:04AM (#15327993)
I noticed this as well.

I recently decided to stop giving them blood, however, because I was actually reading the fine print for once, and apparently they send your blood off for use in research at universities and you cannot opt out.

Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by jnty on Monday September 25, 2017 @05:14AM (#15328945)
Why is that a bad thing?
Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by treehau5 on Monday September 25, 2017 @08:32AM (#15329842)
I am giving you my blood to help people not for your side channel research efforts. If a university wants to use my blood for testing and research they may do so at my discretion, not in spite of it. Also, I would like to be able to review the privacy policy of that particular university and know if they have any attempts to turn a profit with a pharmaceutical company. Again, blood is very sensitive and very personally identifiable. I want the least amount of people possible (who don't actually need it to survive) to have it. I have no idea what the future holds in terms of genetic testing, genetic discrimination, and most importantly, how this particular research university handles data storage and information about my blood and I.

Anyways, long story short, I will be using my local blood organizations from now on, or just going directly to the hospital to donate.

Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by yeukhon on Sunday September 24, 2017 @09:33PM (#15327495)
I actually blocked them, just went straight to blood center whenver I can.
Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by lkbm on Monday September 25, 2017 @03:11PM (#15333140)
I gave blood with them a lot during college, as did my brothers. Then we moved out. For probably about eight years after I moved across the country they would still call my parents' house. "Hi, is Luca there?" "No, he doesn't live here anymore. Please remove him from your list." "Okay."

Thirty seconds later, the phone would ring again. "Hi, is Duncan there?" Repeat a third time for my other brother. For years. I think it's stopped now, so it didn't quite last a decade (though maybe it did for my older brother).

The Blood Center of Central Texas, on the other hand, stopped calling the first time I asked them to. Once they stopped, I resumed donating regularly.

All that aside, I highly recommend donating blood regularly--it has health benefits and is a pretty effective form of charity.

Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by SolaceQuantum on Sunday September 24, 2017 @09:25PM (#15327461)
How is this possible? I simply asked to never be called again, and was called perhaps once more where I reiterated this. Then I was simply never called again.
Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by craftyguy on Sunday September 24, 2017 @09:28PM (#15327473)
I don't know how it's possible for them to disregard my pleas to remove me from their lists. I even told them I have traveled to SE Asia and been exposed to locations with malaria (true story), but ultimately had to resort to blocking their dozens of local and 800 numbers on my phone.
Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by JshWright on Monday September 25, 2017 @07:14AM (#15329471)
Yep, I don't know if they're straight up spoofing caller IDs (I can't imagine they could actually get away with that), or if they actually own numbers in every exchange so they can make local calls, but it's incredibly annoying...
Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by Chaebixi on Monday September 25, 2017 @10:51AM (#15330915)
They changed my number in their database promptly and effectively when I asked them to during a blood donation.

I redirected it to Google Voice and configured their numbers to go straight to voicemail. I figure if they have anything important to tell me, they'll leave a message.

Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by pragone on Sunday September 24, 2017 @07:09PM (#15327007)
Thank you! That's the perfect tl;dr (too long; didn't research?) I was looking for
Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by l0b0 on Monday September 25, 2017 @05:19AM (#15328970)
Thanks, that clears things up massively. I've never heard anything negative about the Red Cross (International Committee or otherwise) in Europe, and was a bit shocked to see their (collective) name pulled into the dirt.
Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by toyg on Monday September 25, 2017 @06:17AM (#15329235)
> I've never heard anything negative about the Red Cross (International Committee or otherwise) in Europe

Well... my dad volunteered in various relief operations during the Balkan conflicts (Bosnia first and Kosovo later, raising and delivering aid as well as coordinating localised rebuild efforts). As a result, his opinion of Red Cross and Médecins Sans Frontières went way down. According to him, RC activities are routinely used for on-the-ground intelligence gathering and operations by most states involved, a lot of RC people are basically civil servants or straight out spies, and the org often discriminates on religious grounds in many ways (this was particularly relevant in Bosnia, where aid operations were effectively compartmentalised by faith); and MSF is only a career vehicle for a lot of people. Also according to him, a lot of volunteers in any org are simply out for easy sex, abusing their position of privilege with the local population - and often ignoring details like age of consent.

We had a big row once, where I basically proposed that supranational orgs like those will inevitably become more and more key as disasters and wars get bigger and longer, and that scale helps dealing with these scenarios. He was extremely skeptical. This said, he still raises money for a smaller NGO every year.

Obviously this is anecdote, but I bring it just to point out that critical outlooks on RC and other big "relief institutions" do exist, although they rarely coalesce in anything particularly scandalous or front-page worthy.

Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by ardit33 on Sunday September 24, 2017 @06:46PM (#15326908)
So, for us that are not into the non-profit world, who is the more reputable and actually helps people?
Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by QAPereo on Sunday September 24, 2017 @06:54PM (#15326951)
International is fantastic, American is a travesty.
Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by 5mk on Monday September 25, 2017 @01:28AM (#15328258)
I wouldn’t call a charity with an A- rating from CharityWatch a “travesty”.
Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by dispo001 on Monday September 25, 2017 @04:49AM (#15328874)
All that means is that there are many worse charities.

I tried to look into it one time and find things written by people who watched from up close. It made me physically ill long before I looked at any substantial number of them.

I think the usual formula is to "pay" the CEO 200 k and spending the rest on ever larger promotion cycles.

What is needed in the west is a huge tax on charities and other non-profits to be entirely used to monitor their activities. Then we need to write draconian laws forcing them to insure and guarantee delivery.

Any sign of failure should result in persecution and the entire staff replaced - since we have plenty of volunteers.

We need to raise the standards like that to the point where government can safely pump funds into the mechanism when a situation calls for it.

I don't want to be called, receive letters and fill out paper work. I have better things to do. I'd much rather spend 50 bucks in [extra] tax for aid than suffering 2 hours of promotion to fund promotion every year.

When is gates going to provide drinking water to the entire world? Never? Then lets put him in prison and salvage the fund.

Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by eru on Thursday September 28, 2017 @06:52AM (#15356155)
> What is needed in the west is a huge tax on charities and other non-profits to be entirely used to monitor their activities.

Nah. Just remove charitable donations from being tax-exempts, and then it's no longer a problem for the government when charities don't deliver, but a private problem of their donors.

Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by Nursie on Monday September 25, 2017 @06:53AM (#15329381)
Definitely.

The Red Cross I know of here in the UK and throughout the world (as far as I knew) are a fantastic, hard-working organisation that provide all sorts of disaster relief and humanitarian aid in warzones and ... well they do great stuff.

That the American Red Cross might be sullying the name of charity through its actions, let alone the name "Red Cross" is a terrible shame.

Re:In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015) by jackemupguy2 on Sunday September 24, 2017 @04:49PM (#15326436)
YUP ... 100% knew this, just forgot. VERY good point.