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Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by m52go on Sunday September 24, 2017 @12:00PM (#15325183)
Sounds like the beginning of a good story. I really want to know what happens with this guy.

Would be nice if Google didn't limit the visibility of a book published in the 17th century.

Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by csours on Sunday September 24, 2017 @12:01PM (#15325190)
I was able to see it by scrolling up and down some.

https://imgur.com/gallery/cMoV7

Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by wavefunction on Sunday September 24, 2017 @01:41PM (#15325664)
"Life, after all, is a dream of little more than fifty years, and, whatever one does for a living, it is not difficult to stay so brief a course."

sublime

Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by manmal on Sunday September 24, 2017 @03:14PM (#15326022)
Would you mind describing what the last few words mean?
Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by archagon on Sunday September 24, 2017 @03:40PM (#15326152)
"Dude, can you just not be evil for like 50 years?"
Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by solidsnack9000 on Sunday September 24, 2017 @03:40PM (#15326151)
Because life is not too long, we should be able to keep on track the whole while -- it's not outside our power.
Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by B1FF_PSUVM on Sunday September 24, 2017 @03:32PM (#15326116)
"stay the course" is mostly nautical, means keep going straight, i.e. staying on the wanted direction despite small variations of wind or waves.
Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by alekratz on Sunday September 24, 2017 @12:04PM (#15325208)
Oh wow, this worked for me too. Scroll up a page, then scroll down. You can keep reading.
Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by B1FF_PSUVM on Sunday September 24, 2017 @03:52PM (#15326208)
(Thanks, also works for me.)

"Risuke became stark mad, revealing his private affairs to the whole province."

Tough times.

Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by maxerickson on Sunday September 24, 2017 @12:17PM (#15325282)
The book was published in 1959.

Even though it is derivative, translations are eligible for copyright as an original work.

http://bookwormtranslations.com/copyright-law-and-translatio...

Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by efficax on Sunday September 24, 2017 @12:57PM (#15325468)
Even still, copyright should expire after less than 60 years.
Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by chicago_wade on Sunday September 24, 2017 @07:58PM (#15327163)
Well, regardless of what you and I agree that it should be, the rule is Life + 70 years in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries%27_copyright...

Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by SeanLuke on Sunday September 24, 2017 @05:50PM (#15326668)
> Would be nice if Google didn't limit the visibility of a book published in the 17th century.

This book was published in 1959. It is copyrighted by Cambridge University Press and is a translation by G. W. Sargent, with introduction and commentary.

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Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by felipelemos on Sunday September 24, 2017 @05:54PM (#15326682)
why did you do that?
Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by Bodell on Sunday September 24, 2017 @03:01PM (#15325971)
Reminds me of a quote from Citizen Kane.

"It's no trick to make a lot of money if all you want... is to make a lot of money"

Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by alekratz on Sunday September 24, 2017 @12:12PM (#15325254)
I like how this book reads. A quick google search yields no copies for sale; does anyone know where I might purchase a copy?
Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by thesmallestcat on Sunday September 24, 2017 @01:34PM (#15325638)
I suggest using the excellent BookFinder.com, not Google or Amazon, to search for books.

https://www.bookfinder.com/search/?author=&title=Nippon+Eita...

Shows a handful of copies from $50-100.

Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by alekratz on Sunday September 24, 2017 @02:03PM (#15325761)
Awesome. Thanks so much.
Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by jacobmischka on Sunday September 24, 2017 @12:17PM (#15325280)
I can't find any new items for sale, but a quick search revealed some used copies. It also seems to be available in a few libraries, but surprisingly I haven't been able to find a public domain download yet. https://smile.amazon.com/Japanese-Family-Storehouse-Ihara-Sa...
Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by gcb0 on Sunday September 24, 2017 @12:27PM (#15325335)
author books: http://webcat.georgian.edu/search?q=au%3AIhara%2C+Saikaku%2C

but sadly, no mentiom of the translator for the linked one, which I think is the most important part of your professed enjoyment.

Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by gwern on Sunday September 24, 2017 @04:26PM (#15326341)
The front page + preface say that this translation was done by G.W. Sargent, as does the Bookfinder information, with no mention of any other translators, so I think Sargent translated everything in the book. As Saikaku's style is light and witty, I imagine most translations would read a good deal like Sargent's.

Searching, I can't find any scans or versions online aside from this unsatisfactory Google Books version. This also appears to be 1 of only 2 translations ever (the other being "Nippon eitaigura. The way to wealth. Translated by Soji Mizuno" 1955, but which is much shorter and the used copies also more expensive), and a brief excerpted story in Keene's _Anthology of Japanese Literature_.

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I've always meant to read Saikaku and didn't realize that _Storehouse_ was so hard to get (probably his third most famous work after _Amorous Man_ and _Women Who Loved Love_), so I've bought one of them off Amazon ($28.99) and I'll scan & upload it online at some point.

Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by csours on Sunday September 24, 2017 @12:08PM (#15325234)
> But if we live by subhuman means we might as well never have had the good fortune to be born human.
Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by solidsnack9000 on Sunday September 24, 2017 @03:38PM (#15326138)
This is related to the Buddhist notion of the "opportunity of human form". (In the Fukazazengi, Dōgen renders this as 人身の機要, read "ninshin no kiyō".)

To be born a god is too easy -- it's hard to turn to the dharma when life is so good. To be born a demon or an animal is too difficult -- it's hard to practice the way when life is so tough. As a human, we recognize fairly early that life does not always go our way; but we are not without some control and capacity for disciplined practice. It's this combination that allows us to (a) want to practice and (b) be able to practice.

Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by basicplus2 on Sunday September 24, 2017 @07:44PM (#15327116)
Gaku Gold Ichi-bu ban-kin ND (1599), JNDA 09-30, Struck in the Keicho era, year 4 (1599),

https://coins.ha.com/itm/japan/japan-gaku-gold-ichi-bu-ban-k...

Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by e12e on Monday September 25, 2017 @12:10AM (#15328009)
You might be able to find it at a library:

http://www.worldcat.org/title/japanese-family-storehouse-or-...

Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by polm23 on Monday September 25, 2017 @12:27AM (#15328064)
Looks like the original title is 茶の十徳も一度に皆, and it can be read (in modernized Japanese) here:

http://saikakuihara.blogspot.jp/2016/10/blog-post_57.html

Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by Camillo on Sunday September 24, 2017 @10:03PM (#15327609)
If he made his money by honest means, he still wouldn't have been able to take it to the afterlife.

I make a honest living, but, having no wife or children, I know that all the money I save will ultimately be enjoyed by people who hate and despise me.

Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by dfps on Sunday September 24, 2017 @05:25PM (#15326580)
For people who like this book, I would recommend the books by the haiku poets Issa and Basho (the books include Haiku here). And the Genji.
Re:All the goodness gone from tea (1688) by iandanforth on Sunday September 24, 2017 @11:31PM (#15327873)
TLDR moral - "[I]f we live by subhuman means we might as well never have had the good fortune to be born human."