> Considering how many people are against any kind of collective payment for health

There is more support for single payer than you might have been led to believe.

"Currently, 60% say the federal government is responsible for ensuring health care coverage for all Americans, while 39% say this is not the government’s responsibility. These views are unchanged from January, but the share saying health coverage is a government responsibility remains at its highest level in nearly a decade."

"Even among those who say the federal government is not responsible for ensuring Americans have health care coverage, there is little public appetite for government withdrawing entirely from involvement in health care coverage. Among the public, 33% say that health care coverage is not the government’s responsibility, but that programs like Medicare and Medicaid should be continued; just 5% of Americans say the government should not be involved at all in providing health insurance."

Emphasis mine.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/23/public-suppo...

EDIT: HN throttling, sorry for editing this instead of replying.

@nerfhammer:

That doesn't mean you don't try.

I think there's a huge difference between "federal government is responsible" and specifically single payer solution. There's more ways fed gov could be involved.

yea, but any specific plan that is put forward will go through an absolutely endless relentless well-practiced vilification process and many people will end up believing that the bill is intended to the do opposite of whatever it actually does, largely only to get people to listen to radio ads.

I think if the healthcare and education cost situation gets much worse, there's going to be a big drain of people who have the means to move to more civilized societies. Or maybe thats just a personal bias because that's what I keep edging closer to in contemplation. Tech salaries are better in the US than say Europe, but if that all taken out by healthcare, while adding all sorts of bankruptcy risk and poor standards of care then there's little point gambling.

Not trying to be snarky - serious question: if you feel that way, what's stopping you? I've often contemplated what I would do if the US leans further left, and sadly, there aren't a lot of other places to go where I can have guns, freedom of speech (although in a lot of places people have been protesting against that lately, because they believe it should only apply to speech that's not horrible), and a private-business dominated economy. Looking in the other direction, there are a ton of places where you can get super-tight gun laws, a huge welfare state, and a government dominated economy ... so why not pick one and go?

Gun laws? Who said anything about gun laws. I actually think we should take a much different approach than silly bans, like maybe geographic analysis of dealer sales vs permits/ownership records to identify illegal sales.

I'm talking financial analysis and quality of life.