Re:What the elite expect and receive from an Ivy League educ...
by jameshart on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @05:42PM
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Eton and Westminster schools are not open to the 'middle class'. Of course, they'll accept the upper class, because that's traditional, but what they really want is the ruling class, which is no longer the same thing. But mere middle class?
Re:What the elite expect and receive from an Ivy League educ...
by alva on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @06:10PM
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It is interesting to see the demographics of these schools change. 20/30 years ago it was as has been for hundreds of years, the British aristocracy. Some parents/teachers express their frustration that a large segment of students are now Russian oligarch heirs, Middle Eastern princes etc.
Of course these are the future power players whether we like it or not. "Old Money" feels inadequate.
Re:What the elite expect and receive from an Ivy League educ...
by vilmosi on Saturday September 23, 2017 @04:10PM
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"Middle class" in the UK is what you would consider "upper class".
Re:What the elite expect and receive from an Ivy League educ...
by jameshart on Monday September 25, 2017 @05:14PM
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I am British, so what I would consider upper class is... upper class. "Middle class" in the UK means the same as it does anywhere else - educated, property-owning, suburban, high discretionary spend budget... middle class.
Sure, there's plenty of people who will try to redefine it to mean people with substantial investment/property income who send their kids to private schools and own second homes abroad... in general to justify claiming that cuts to capital gains and inheritance tax are 'to help the middle class'. But that stockbroker-belt lifestyle is more specific to what you'd call the 'upper middle class'. And even stockbrokers aren't sending their kids to Eton...
Re:What the elite expect and receive from an Ivy League educ...
by vilmosi on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @07:17AM
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Be that as it may, I don't want to argue semantics, but the grand-parent is obviously not using your definition of middle class. At least that's how I read it.
>>> A huge portion of the middle class in the UK went to Oxford or Cambridge.
Confusing, I know.
Re:What the elite expect and receive from an Ivy League educ...
by Jabbles on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @05:59PM
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A huge portion of the UK's middle class cannot have gone to Oxbridge, simply because they're too small. They take 3000 people each or together 0.01% of the UK's population each year.
Re:What the elite expect and receive from an Ivy League educ...
by barry-cotter on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @06:40PM
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But what portion of the 17-19 year olds of the UK do they admit every year? I think it's around 3%. That means Oxbridge is guaranteed to have educated a greater portion of the UK's middle class than went to the US's HYP, also ran Ivy League schools, MIT, Stanford and CalTech. One thirtieth of the US population does not attend a super elite school.
Re:What the elite expect and receive from an Ivy League educ...
by blibble on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @07:20PM
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~6000 undergrad oxbridge places/year, divided by ~1 million 18 year olds[1] == around 0.6%, so 1 in 166
[1]: http://www.indexmundi.com/graphs/population-pyramids/united-...
A huge portion of the middle class in the UK went to Oxford or Cambridge. Something like 25% of Etonians get into Oxford or Cambridge. For the Westminster school that number is something like 45%.
Harvard does not have that same grip on the corresponding class stratum in the US, but Harvard also has far fewer undergraduates than Oxford or Cambridge and the US is a much larger country.