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Re:Index Investing Makes Markets and Economies More Efficien... by EliRivers on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @12:13PM (#15285917)
What allocation? After the first time it is sold, the stock being traded around provides zero resources to businesses.
Re:Index Investing Makes Markets and Economies More Efficien... by hsk on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @12:25PM (#15286052)
That's not the right way to look at it.

People invest in an IPO in the first place because of the promise of liquidity down the line.

If investors were told that they couldn't freely buy or sell shares after the first time it is sold, the IPO is going to do far worse.

The ability to trade the stock around directly helps the company by making the IPO more successful.

That's not even considering that the company could issue secondary offerings.

Re:Index Investing Makes Markets and Economies More Efficien... by OscarCunningham on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @12:42PM (#15286240)
So if I invest in Facebook now, I'm helping them by making it easier for them to raise money several years ago? In some kind of weird acausal way, because people then anticipated my actions now?
Re:Index Investing Makes Markets and Economies More Efficien... by ncallaway on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @01:07PM (#15286495)
> In some kind of weird acausal way, because people then anticipated my actions now?

They didn't anticipate _your individual_ actions, but it's highly likely that the persons that bought into Facebook's IPO did expect that they would be able to sell the stock to _someone_ at a later date.

So, yes, people anticipated your actions now (if you look at _your_ actions as the general actions of the crowd, instead of your individual actions)

Re:Index Investing Makes Markets and Economies More Efficien... by gnode on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @01:11PM (#15286533)
If you invest in a stock with the intention of selling it later, rather than holding it forever to earn the dividends, your decision was motivated by the expectation that there will be a market for it in the future.

By buying Facebook stock now, you're fulfilling that expectation of earlier investors, which motivated them to provide Facebook's initial funds.

Re:Index Investing Makes Markets and Economies More Efficien... by tome on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @12:55PM (#15286378)
No, you're helping pre-IPO companies raise money now.
Re:Index Investing Makes Markets and Economies More Efficien... by dragandj on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @12:35PM (#15286163)
Not quite. At the bare minimum, the existence of markets and liquidity they provide is of tremendous value. Otherwise, how would those large corporations be able to acquire capital in the first place?
Re:Index Investing Makes Markets and Economies More Efficien... by EliRivers on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:56AM (#15292345)
There's always the bond market - loans, effectively. They could also sell non-transferable ownership; effectively a stock that couldn't be sold on. You get dividends and a say in how the company is run. That would drive stockholders to seek long-term sustainable profits rather than share price spikes, which sounds like a pretty good thing.
Re:Index Investing Makes Markets and Economies More Efficien... by fallingfrog on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @01:54PM (#15287014)
I think the idea is that if the stock price goes up, then the company can issue new shares for a lot of cash if they need to invest in their business.
Re:Index Investing Makes Markets and Economies More Efficien... by autokad on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @12:52PM (#15286352)
stock bonuses are a huge part of compensation, especially in tech
Re:Index Investing Makes Markets and Economies More Efficien... by ringaroundthetx on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @01:32PM (#15286750)
Yes and no, you buying the stock on the stock market does not give your money to the business.

Liquidity along with higher prices along with improved business metrics, which provide perception and confidence to the market to promote higher prices, are used by the business to obtain cheaper financing and the employees of the business to also obtain access to credit based on their holdings of the stock.

These are colloquially called resources to businesses.