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Re:Top medical experts say we should decriminalize all drugs... by mc32 on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @02:23AM (#15282222)
I don't see that borne out by the opioid crisis. Many believe it was lax prescription that allowed opioids to become preferred and prevalent narcotics to abuse. If they are not available it does not matter how many cars or houses you brake into, it does no good if no one is selling.

So you say, well in that case someone will make them dirty and available for a price. Punish the illegal seller and prosecute all suppliers who knowingly sold to someone not registered. Prosecute any and all corruption related to making and distributing the product illegally.

Do people get their coke from Coca-cola imported leaves? No. They know the consequences and take appropriate precautions to ensure they are not subverted by greedy employees.

Re:Top medical experts say we should decriminalize all drugs... by merpnderp on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @09:00AM (#15284208)
Nearly everyone dying from legal opiates is because they're mixing them with heroin, which is often cut with a depressant like fentanyl. Heroin is illegal, and fentanyl is illegal for all intents and purposes to the average person. So maybe we should fix our wide spread and nearly half a century problem with heroin by making it illegal. Then no one will ever use it and it won't be available to anyone ever again.

You just can't get around the evidence that making drugs illegal doesn't make them unavailable and doesn't reduce the number of people who use them. It just makes it more dangerous to the addicts and funds cartels and gangs.

Re:Top medical experts say we should decriminalize all drugs... by vidarh on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @04:32AM (#15282745)
The most recent crisis is due to overprescription, yes, but that didn't mean that e.g. heroin wasn't a problem before.

> So you say, well in that case someone will make them dirty and available for a price. Punish the illegal seller and prosecute all suppliers who knowingly sold to someone not registered. Prosecute any and all corruption related to making and distributing the product illegally.

Which is exactly what we know from experience has never worked. Why do you think you could make it work?

The outcome is to drive up prices until it becomes sufficiently profitable for sufficiently brutal syndicates to take on production and distribution.

How do you think we ended up with the amount of death and misery the drugs trade causes in the first place?

Re:Top medical experts say we should decriminalize all drugs... by tomp on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @04:43AM (#15282800)
> Punish the illegal seller and prosecute all suppliers who knowingly sold to someone not registered. Prosecute any and all corruption related to making and distributing the product illegally.

So, in other words, keep failing in exactly the same way as we're failing right now?

Re:Top medical experts say we should decriminalize all drugs... by lagadu on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @03:54AM (#15282580)
> if no one is selling.

That's not a realistic scenario though.

Re:Top medical experts say we should decriminalize all drugs... by icantdrive55 on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @02:57AM (#15282358)
1. Many, even the ethical, doctors prescribed opioids for pain, and misery.

2. A very small percentage of Doctors set up shop to hook their patients.

3. I just can't put all the blame on doctors.

4. People are miserable across this county. A lot of you are insulated from the misery, but it's there. The anti-drpepressant effects of opioids should not be hidden. They make you feel good.

Plus--I don't think it's a coincidence that heterocyclic/tricyclic anti-depressants have come under extreme scrutiny. Basically--do they even work. Oh yea, that double blind study, in India, proved they work 62% over a huge Placebo response? Meaning 6 patients answered three positive questing, more that the control group, on that poorly worded psychological test.

5. Now the problem is the patient starts to develop a tolerance. The foolish run to the street, and buy bags of whatever. The responsible patient stays on the same dosage. (There are studies, done in nursing homes, that state that patients on opioids can stay on tge same dose of opioids for years, and don't feel the need go up their dose.)

6. O.K. we are blaming the doctors for the opioids crisis. They don't want to get sued, or have the FDA knocking on their door; so they cut off the patient.

7. Now, if the patient can't kick the stuff by themselves, they are labeled addicts. They go on bupenorpine, or methadone. They have to jump through hoops just to get that medication. Many, if in the right areas, just go to the street. I can see why they do. I don't understand anyone who just sticks a needle in their arm, and hopes for the best.

8. We are now stuck with a terrible system, and people in agony. Way to go America!

(Excuse my attitude. My doctor got cold feet prescribing me bupenorpine, after a decade of taking it. It's not been easy getting off of. I am not happy with the system is the slightest. I don't blame the doctors though. Many of them know their patients do just fine on a on most controlled substances. Now--the doctors who are dragging in their patients for unnecessary office visits; those bastards should be exposed, and dealt with. The ethical doctors should be left alone to treat their patients, without any oversight. Yea--try finding a ethics, doctor. I do know they exist.)

Re:Top medical experts say we should decriminalize all drugs... by DanBC on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @04:44AM (#15282810)
US doctors are prescribing far more opioids that doctors in any other country. The US uses 99% of the world supply of hydrocodone, for example.

The opioid crisis is far worse in the US than in any other country.

> I don't think it's a coincidence that heterocyclic/tricyclic anti-depressants have come under extreme scrutiny. Basically--do they even work. Oh yea, that double blind study, in India, proved they work 62% over a huge Placebo response? Meaning 6 patients answered three positive questing, more that the control group, on that poorly worded psychological test.

SSRIs are good at treating depression if you actually have depression. (something like 60% efficacy) If you don't have depression they don't work at all. The lack of efficacy of SSRIs is just US doctors again overdiagnosing and overtreating.

The theme is US healthcare is not very good for very many people..

> There are studies, done in nursing homes, that state that patients on opioids can stay on tge same dose of opioids for years, and don't feel the need go up their dose.)

Do you have a source? Because all the studies I've seen show that long term use of opioids causes tolerance, and doesn't work to treat pain.

Re:Top medical experts say we should decriminalize all drugs... by webnrrd2k on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @11:23AM (#15285429)
Re: over prescribing antidepressants (and various other medications), I think there is a real problem in America with getting an accurate diagnosis in the first place, which contributes to the overprescription problem. Also, most people are limited to a very small slice of office time, and I imagine that makes an accurate diagnosis difficult, too. In addition, American culture reinforces individualism, and tends to be isolating relative to many other cultures, which, I'm sure, contributes to the problem.

This all just reinforces your larger point that US healthcare is not very good for very many people. It's great if you have the money (or insurance) to see whoever you need to, but not so good if you don't.

Re:Top medical experts say we should decriminalize all drugs... by TylerE on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @11:30AM (#15285502)
> The US uses 99% of the world supply of hydrocodone, for example.

That's a very misleading statistic. It's because most everywhere else in the world doesn't prescribe it... they typically give smaller doses of _stronger_ opioids.