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Re:China Makes Chat Group Administrators Criminally Liable f... by nickthemagicman on Sunday September 17, 2017 @03:57PM (#15271389)
Jesus that's so repressive. And I'm sure the laws are pretty subjective as well or at least not something the average chat admin is fully up to speed with. Essentially the outcome of this will be to kill chats or send it underground to tor or something.
Re:China Makes Chat Group Administrators Criminally Liable f... by marian0_ on Sunday September 17, 2017 @04:02PM (#15271414)
In Spain, you as a website admin can be found liable for unlawful messages left by your users too. So it's not like this is unexpectedly repressive for me.

A verdict that shows so: http://www.asesoriayempresas.es/jurisprudencia/JURIDICO/1959...

Re:China Makes Chat Group Administrators Criminally Liable f... by notgood on Sunday September 17, 2017 @07:27PM (#15272275)
Not really, it says: "Conocimiento efectivo por la demandada del contenido de los comentarios alojados por terceras personas en su web. Remisión de fax en el que se advierte de la existencia de estas comunicaciones lesivas al honor del demandante: Al rehusar este fax la demandada incumple su deber de diligencia."

Which translates: "Effective knowledge by the plaintiff of the stored messages by third-parties on his website. Fax receiving in which [the admin] was informed of the lascivious messages to the plaintiff. By refusing the FAX the defendant breaches his duty of diligence"

So this case was about sexual comments against a specific person for which the owner of the site refused to delete such comments; so little to nothing to do with censoring messages against the state.

Re:China Makes Chat Group Administrators Criminally Liable f... by nawitus on Sunday September 17, 2017 @04:38PM (#15271574)
Also true for Finland.
Re:China Makes Chat Group Administrators Criminally Liable f... by tobijkl on Sunday September 17, 2017 @04:44PM (#15271598)
Also true for Germany.
Re:China Makes Chat Group Administrators Criminally Liable f... by Cyph0n on Sunday September 17, 2017 @04:53PM (#15271631)
Also true for basically every Gulf country, but slightly more repressive.
Re:China Makes Chat Group Administrators Criminally Liable f... by bsder on Sunday September 17, 2017 @06:37PM (#15272083)
I presume that "unlawful" is a bit more circumscribed in Spain than in China.

Taking the article's example, would you be liable for ranting about a drunk driving checkpoint being a shakedown?

Re:China Makes Chat Group Administrators Criminally Liable f... by mirimir on Sunday September 17, 2017 @05:24PM (#15271793)
Well, then, owners, admins and mods just need to be anonymous and untraceable. Users too, of course. So yeah, Tor or something stronger :)
Re:China Makes Chat Group Administrators Criminally Liable f... by drdaeman on Sunday September 17, 2017 @06:13PM (#15271983)
I don't think it's about anonymous chats, though (AFAIK they're were made illegal in China for some time, just like anonymous commenting). Probably about chats where users know each other. And it doesn't work if there's a snitch among the peers.

For the smaller casual "circle of acquaintances (relatives, friends, coworkers, gaming teammates, etc)" chats, there should be no owner, though - small non-public invite-only communities work perfectly well without administration. This doesn't solve "poster is responsible" but it solves "owner is responsible".

For larger or open chats - yes, the owner should be someone pseudonymous (or just a robot).