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Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by noncoml on Saturday September 16, 2017 @07:03PM (#15267233)
> Counterintuitively, this is evidence that the Equifax breach isn't necessarily going to cause massive harm. If someone wanted to impersonate you, they could already.

This argument doesn't not follow logically. It's like saying you shouldn't lock your house because if somebody really wants to get in, they will do it.

Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by cm2187 on Sunday September 17, 2017 @02:21AM (#15268465)
The difference between breaking into a house and hacking into a machine is that a burglar can only break into so many houses and has a significant risk of getting caught. A hacker can get into an almost unlimited number of machines and is unlikely to risk any retaliation.

As a result you have the equivalent of dozens of people trying to pick the lock of your door every day, and the law can't do much to stop it. That requires you to pay f*ing attention to the quality of your lock.

Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by larvaetron on Saturday September 16, 2017 @07:13PM (#15267272)
It would be analogous to a security breach of a manufacturer's database of keycuts and corresponding locks, not outright refusing to lock your doors.
Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by noncoml on Saturday September 16, 2017 @07:19PM (#15267290)
Right. That analogy it more correct, but it doesn't make it follow logically. It's like a someone having the keys and address for each key.
Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by LeifCarrotson on Saturday September 16, 2017 @07:19PM (#15267291)
It does. Locking your house provides some security.

But it would no longer provide security if every person in the country had a copy of your key.

Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by noncoml on Saturday September 16, 2017 @07:56PM (#15267435)
One of us missed the point.
Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by PhasmaFelis on Sunday September 17, 2017 @03:43AM (#15268653)
It sounds like he's saying "don't worry about getting fucked by the Equifax breach; you were fucked already." Which certainly isn't reassuring, whether or not it's true.
Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by matz1 on Saturday September 16, 2017 @07:08PM (#15267250)
It does follow. Not locking your house is not going to cause massive harm. If somebody really wants to get in, they will do itm
Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by noncoml on Saturday September 16, 2017 @07:18PM (#15267286)
I guess you leave your front door open every morning before leaving for work?
Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by KGIII on Saturday September 16, 2017 @09:43PM (#15267798)
I leave my house unlocked. If not, everyone around knows where the key is.

Of course, this isn't something I suggest you do. It's certainly not practical for most people. I mention it only to show that there are varied security needs. On this particular subject, my credit has been frozen since the OPM breech.

Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by noncoml on Saturday September 16, 2017 @09:49PM (#15267818)
Yeah, that’s the problem when we start arguing with analogies. Things can get derailed easily. Mea culpa.
Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by camus2 on Saturday September 16, 2017 @11:42PM (#15268129)
> I leave my house unlocked. If not, everyone around knows where the key is.

the day you get robbed, it will absolutely make a difference for whoever insure your house and its content.

Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by KGIII on Sunday September 17, 2017 @12:44AM (#15268274)
If someone around here takes something, they needed it more than I did. I live way out in an unincorporated township. People aren't inclined to steal when they know I'd just help them out if they need me to.

It's pretty great to live here. The only crime in my area is growing weed and that's now legal.

Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by matz1 on Saturday September 16, 2017 @07:34PM (#15267345)
We are talking about leaving door unlocked, not leaving the door open. I lock the door every morning out of habit but I'm pretty sure its unlikely that something happen if I don't.
Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by noncoml on Saturday September 16, 2017 @07:54PM (#15267426)
I don't know what you are trying to argue about, but somebody got hold of personal details, SSN and credit card details of 140 million people.

The argument that it is ok, because anyway if somebody wanted it really hard they would find a way to get my personal details, is illogical.

Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by matz1 on Saturday September 16, 2017 @08:02PM (#15267454)
Yes as the parent poster said, it may lead to the improvement of the system.
Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by sillysaurus3 on Saturday September 16, 2017 @07:07PM (#15267242)
Yes and no. At a certain point, if people keep breaking into our houses, it's a good idea to think about the locks we use.
Re:Three Years in Identity Theft Hell by noncoml on Saturday September 16, 2017 @07:20PM (#15267294)
That's a different argument, than the one in the first line, to which I completely agree.