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Re:Equifax Releases Details on Cybersecurity Incident, Annou... by gaius on Saturday September 16, 2017 @05:09AM (#15263729)
Impressive. Let me amend my original statement from "no" to "a tiny minority" then but I believe my point stands - frantic patching to keep up is no substitute for an architecture with no single point of vulnerability.
Re:Equifax Releases Details on Cybersecurity Incident, Annou... by grogenaut on Saturday September 16, 2017 @05:31AM (#15263785)
If you're on an computer there is always going to be a single point of failure with a window of venerability. Any piece of software or combination thereof will possibly leave a RCOE veunerability, which means you always have a single point of veunerability. I think what you mean is, is the unauthorized access isolated enough such that by the time an attacker finds the next thing to attack you've noticed the odd network behavior, eg defense in depth? If so, yes. But theres a difference between frantic patches and a well controlled, tested and easy to deploy set of software which makes pushing updates much less "frantic" and much more controlled. No matter what your defense in depth is you're always going to get an "oh fuck we are totally uncovered" moment, this is where the agility helps out. Your other option in this case is "the emergency shut-down for the oasis", well or the equifax option of sticking your head in the sand and running the servers open for months. I assume we're all responsible adults here though so that last one is off the table, it all comes down to risk assesment. ef seems to have miscalculated on that one.
Re:Equifax Releases Details on Cybersecurity Incident, Annou... by gaius on Saturday September 16, 2017 @05:40AM (#15263807)
We need to differentiate then between "patch for this one specific thing" and "upgrade to the next version" which are often conflated. The former could literally be a one-line change to correct an off-by-one error say. The latter will have to go through the full regression and release process. Often it's a grey area.
Re:Equifax Releases Details on Cybersecurity Incident, Annou... by jacques_chester on Saturday September 16, 2017 @10:51AM (#15264870)
Companies like Red Hat, Suse and Ubuntu provide security backporting for exactly this reason. It's one of the major reasons that folk subscribe to them.
Re:Equifax Releases Details on Cybersecurity Incident, Annou... by eternalban on Saturday September 16, 2017 @07:31AM (#15264142)
Unless you are part of that "tiny minority", you have no business handling information that can substantially negatively impact people's lives.

Isn't it interesting that one needs a license to drive an automobile and yet companies that handle this type of information get to do so without demonstrating the required level of competence.

Re:Equifax Releases Details on Cybersecurity Incident, Annou... by gaius on Saturday September 16, 2017 @09:07AM (#15264491)
Isn't it interesting that one needs a license to drive an automobile and yet companies that handle this type of information get to do so without demonstrating the required level of competence

Oh, it's the whole industry tho'. VMS running on DEC hardware was at a level of security and reliability that we can only dream of today, but it was abandoned on the scrapheap and replaced by glorified PCs running a hobbyist OS. If you wanted to build an infrastructure on old-skool principles now you couldn't, you can't get the components anymore. The truth is we're fighting a losing battle and the real enemy is ourselves.