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Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by munificent on Friday September 15, 2017 @01:40PM (#15259094)

    > In Our Kids: The American Dream in Crisis, social scientist Robert D.
    > Putnam describes how, beginning in the 1980s, “the dominant ideas and
    > social norms about good parenting have shifted from Spock’s ‘permissive
    > parenting’ to a new model of ‘intensive parenting.’ ”
I wonder how much of this is a consequence of increasing economic disparity in the US. In the 70s, there were middle class jobs a-plenty. As long as your kid wasn't a total degenerate, they could probably find a decent job to sustain a happy middle-class lifestyle when they got out of high school.

Now, there is an increasing arms race where more and more over-educated and over-training young people are competing for fewer jobs that pay less. The slope of the income distribution is getting steeper and steeper. Your kid is going to enter a job market with fewer opportunities and less pay, meanwhile they will be surrounded by tons of other kids all feverishly competing for the same jobs.

If your kid doesn't have the right grades to get into the right school to get the right degree and thus the right internship, it's very easy to slip into poverty (and the crippling student debt on top doesn't help).

The anxiety around parenting in some ways reflects a rational observation that the world we are preparing our children for is not as welcoming as the one we grew up in.

Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by otakucode on Friday September 15, 2017 @06:18PM (#15261262)
We're on to the second generation, in my opinion, of a very destructive self-sustaining cycle. In the 80s, parents were taught 'latch-key kids' were neglect and they were 'growing up too fast' (a nonsensical idea). So they overparented. This was accepted by them gladly because when they were raised, things were very permissive and they remembered being those long-haired hippies that they had turned their backs on when they became stock brokers. They wanted to make sure their kids didn't get similar rebellious ideas.

So those children got over-parented. As a result of the degree of control they suffered, particularly during adolescence, they never developed a full adult maturity. Now they're having kids. And they're not mature enough to handle it.

Parenting is the hardest, but most rewarding, thing a person can do in their life. Your job (and most parents today would be shocked to hear this) is to take a child and turn it into an adult. Not a larger child. Mere aging does NOT cause a child to develop. Experience is the exclusive means through which new neural connections are formed. Intense and novel experience in particular is the most useful for development. In their absence, development does NOT occur. So as a parent, you have to expose your child to these things that will change them. The child you love more than your own life will be turned into an individual who wants to leave you and has no need for you. How mature do you have to be to put your own feelings aside and accept that this inevitable heartbreak on your part is in the best interest of your child and therefore you will pursue it actively? Very, I'd say.

The next time you hear a parent remark that their child is "not ready" for something, whether its watching a scary movie or dating or whatever, ask them what they are doing, as a parent, to MAKE their child ready for it. You will typically get a blank stare.

Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by nsxwolf on Friday September 15, 2017 @01:53PM (#15259196)
This is why we spend our money on Disney World and other experiences for the kids instead of saving for college. That might be a controversial idea, but we'd rather have them grow up with a fun childhood instead of just making it to a university, feeling empty and hollow inside, and have it all just be some lotto ticket anyway.
Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by linkregister on Friday September 15, 2017 @02:15PM (#15259364)
I think you underestimate the cost of college or overestimate the cost of Disney park tickets.
Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by nsxwolf on Friday September 15, 2017 @03:25PM (#15260006)
If I'm underestimating the cost of college then all the more reason to spend the money on something else.

For all I know a 4 year degree will cost $500k in the next 10-20 years. I have 4 kids. Do the math.

Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by j-c-hewitt on Friday September 15, 2017 @03:45PM (#15260181)
It already costs nearly that at some 'elite' universities. And it's not worth the money if you purely consider it as a financial investment in most cases.
Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by betenoire on Friday September 15, 2017 @05:03PM (#15260764)
The tickets are a drop in the bucket of the total cost for a traveling family vacation. And it IS hard to save and spend at the same time.
Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by nsxwolf on Friday September 15, 2017 @11:15PM (#15262639)
Yup. The airfare, hotels, restaurants, and souvenirs cost an absolute fortune. You can do alright with their budget friendly resorts but still. It's so much fun though.
Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by kbutler on Friday September 15, 2017 @04:26PM (#15260498)
We did that - and our kids were sick of Disney and amusement parks by the time they were teenagers. They'd much rather do beach, national parks, etc.

Big win, in my book!

Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by jdmichal on Friday September 15, 2017 @04:10PM (#15260362)
I'm going to relish my first parent-teacher meeting in elementary school. I think that homework at that level of schooling is absurd, and there are studies to back it up. That age should be about exploring the world and its relationships. Locking children away for 6+ hours at school with the minimal recess they're permitted now-a-days, and then tack on an hour or more of homework at home? Sorry, I'm reserving that time for my child to have healthy play time.
Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by noir_lord on Friday September 15, 2017 @05:47PM (#15261049)
Same, though it's my step-son not my son (he's 7), his mum gets stressed about his reading level and math proficiency (both of which he's in the higher level for anyway) while I find the whole thing ludicrous, I was explaining probability to him the other day while we where playing cards and he grokked it.

I grew up in the 80's in the North of England (not a time our schools shone) and but for a single good teacher I'd have ended up in the equivalent of the remedial group (likely for the rest of my school career), she understood that the reason I wasn't learning wasn't because I wasn't capable but because I wasn't interested, she realised I liked science and computers so she binned the assigned books and got me reading about those instead.

30 years later I have a solid career as a programmer and I still love science.

This "teach the test, pass the test, teach the next test" style of schooling is fucking absurd, Daniel had to study for SAT's for FFS.

Standardised testing at 7 is insane, just the way school years are broken up means you have kids nearly a year apart in age at that age so the variance from that is huge.

Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by otakucode on Friday September 15, 2017 @06:24PM (#15261303)
One might be tempted to think that our schooling systems which were designed and optimized to provide workers for the manufacturing world might need some retooling for an age in which the world has little use for rule-following folks content to stand on a line pulling a lever all day...
Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by noir_lord on Saturday September 16, 2017 @11:09AM (#15264965)
One might, One might also wonder how the government feels about teaching children to be creative (a skill required in current and future economies) without breaking the rule following.

Most governments are happy with rule-following drones who do as they are told and pay their taxes.

Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by tertius on Friday September 15, 2017 @03:15PM (#15259926)
Because Disney world fills up all emotional unhappy holes...

Rather give them a secure and happy family than materialism.

Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by TeMPOraL on Friday September 15, 2017 @03:20PM (#15259968)
> Rather give them a secure and happy family than materialism.

GP's comment sounds like that's precisely what they're doing. They're using the money to give their kids a fun and memorable childhood.

Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by nsxwolf on Friday September 15, 2017 @03:23PM (#15259989)
This is extremely uncharitable. What makes you assume my children do not have a happy home life? Do you honestly believe having money to do interesting and fun things growing up can only be a negative?

I'm choosing to not sacrifice all sorts of opportunities so that they can grow up with an austere existence and get a probably worthless loan-free college education.

You do you though!

Re:Parents Who Pay to Be Watched by tertius on Saturday September 16, 2017 @09:08AM (#15264496)
You're right, I misread and commented too quickly. My reply was a lot more generic than your comment warranted.

I'm sorry about that.